More Heyley Soft Finds

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More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by daveejhitchins » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:44 pm

Just browsing through some of my 5.25" Floppies and found these:
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Would someone like to recover these and see if they are any good?

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by danielj » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:33 pm

I'm happy to image them if the disc surfaces look OK?

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by tautology » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:23 pm

Wow! I'd definitely like to see the contents of these discs! Unfortunately I have a 5.25" drive, but no DFS on my beeb.

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by daveejhitchins » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:55 pm

danielj wrote:I'm happy to image them if the disc surfaces look OK?

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Daniel:

I'll get them off to you, see what you can do.

Thanks - Dave H :D

p.s. did you manage to peek into your Plus 3's power supply and check those 'miss placed' or circuit changed capacitors?
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by danielj » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:07 am

daveejhitchins wrote:
danielj wrote:I'm happy to image them if the disc surfaces look OK?

d.
Daniel:

I'll get them off to you, see what you can do.

Thanks - Dave H :D

p.s. did you manage to peek into your Plus 3's power supply and check those 'miss placed' or circuit changed capacitors?
No, not yet - I'll try and whip the lid off tomorrow (currently out of range of the thing...). :)

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by daveejhitchins » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:10 am

Daniel:

Noticed that one of the discs defiantly has the start of a little mould :?

So, I'll de-jacket them all - check and clean before sending them off.

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by danielj » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:53 pm

daveejhitchins wrote:Daniel:

Noticed that one of the discs defiantly has the start of a little mould :?

So, I'll de-jacket them all - check and clean before sending them off.

Dave H :D
Appreciated :D - Meanwhile, here's a plus 3 PSU cap picture for your delectation:
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Post by daveejhitchins » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:50 pm

danielj wrote:Meanwhile, here's a plus 3 PSU cap picture for your delectation:
Hmmm! Looks like it may be a production mod. Doesn't line-up with the schematic.

Floppys:
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As you can see the discs had quite a bit of the old mouldy stuff on them. However, cleaned up nicely using an IPA soaked disposable lens cleaning cloth. Two of them verify OK - 1 verifies with errors and the last one has some errors - high sector numbers on both sides with side 1 being the worst.

So, I'll now get them in the post to see how you fair.

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by danielj » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:04 pm

If they're not protected I can be fairly brutal with the retry options with the kryoflux until it manages to hoover a good copy of a sector - it can certainly be more aggressive on retries than the 1772/8271 would be.

This, of course, assumes the disc surface integrity remains integrated :D

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by daveejhitchins » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:24 pm

The cleaning process worked \:D/ The files are attached.

These may be the original files sent to me to 'make' the electron protected retail discs?

Someone may want to sort them out. As you can see from the images above there are:

Hint Sheets (Inter Word format)
Run Files - These may be part of the 'protection' (?)
The actual Games Files
Solve Files

I've managed to transfer them to SSDs and DSDs.

I had problems with ADTs XFER - It would stall when transferring larger files to the RAM drive - Don't ask why I wasn't transferring directly to the USB drive - Doh! I did in the end :oops: I also had several 'anomalies' when transferring from ADFS to DFS - At times It would work flawlessly - At times it would just stop, reporting the destination disc full - and twice it missed a file!!! Anyway, I got there in the end =D>

The games include Ultimate, Stranded, Taroda, Pirate and Dreamtime.

I know we may have all of these already - but maybe not the 'other' files.

Please let me know if they make any sense or are of use to anyone.

Dave H :D
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by CMcDougall » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:18 pm

Good work Dave =D>

glad you got them off :twisted: ADFS :twisted: \:D/
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by iamaran » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:54 pm

I hope nobody objects to me uploading the hints and solutions to http://www.solutionarchive.com (when I get chance). Thanks.

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by lordroberts » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:08 am

This post is quite timely. Last weekend, after spending the entire weekend clearing my loft out, I found all the original materials for all the Heyley games. This includes the hand drawn maps and development notes as well as the original hintsheets we created.

I know people were looking for the hintsheets and I was intending to scan them in and create PDFs of the but it looks to me as if the original text files for the hintsheets may be on the discs that we sent to Dave.

I'll see what I can do to investigate the files on the discs and maybe the PDFs can be created with the original text.
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Post by tautology » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:17 am

Wow! Now that's a find and a half!

In terms of the hintsheets, I've sort of been working on an Interword convertor. This may give me the impetus to actually finish it!

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by lordroberts » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:24 pm

tautology wrote:Wow! Now that's a find and a half!

In terms of the hintsheets, I've sort of been working on an Interword convertor. This may give me the impetus to actually finish it!
That would be incredibly useful. I've just looked at the source files for the hintsheets in Notepad++ and they are full of garbage although recognisable as the hintsheets. Unless we can get something to translate them into proper ASCII then it looks like a fairly mind-numbing job.

As an example, I am attaching a scan of the printed output of "The Taroda Scheme" hints). Here is a link to what appear to be part 1 of the original text files which I have just pulled from the disc images:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45292621/TarHnt1%24

I have no idea of what word processor we used (does Wordwise mean anything to anybody?) but maybe these files will help to get it translated into straight ASCII.
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Post by nOmArch » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:37 pm

Wordwise was a word processor by Beebug, It was quite popular but inferior to Interword IIRC. Shouldn't be too difficult to parse the files correctly.
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Post by flaxcottage » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:04 pm

Computer Concepts may dispute the authorship of Wordwise. [-X
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by tautology » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:53 pm

Yeah, that's Interword. The header's totally different from Wordwise (Interword is basically Wordwise++). The basic header values are below:

Code: Select all

D:\Code\iwordreader>iwordreader TarHnt1.dat
Cursor Line: 14
Number of Lines: 32
Number of Columns: 80
Unknown: 1
Flags:
Unknown: 64
Unknown: 16
Unknown: 0
Foreground Colour: 7
Background Colour: 0
Unknown: 24
Keyboard repeat rate: 4
Keyboard repeat delay: 50
Looks like I've got some coding to do over the weekend!

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Post by lordroberts » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:59 pm

Excellent. Do you want me to extract the files or are you happy to do it? Once we have them in ASCII, I'll tart them up and create PDFs for all the games.

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Post by tautology » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:11 pm

Here it is loaded into Interword...
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by lordroberts » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:53 pm

That is absolutely stonking. If we can get it out as plain ASCII text I will be able to create hintsheets for all the games.

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Post by nOmArch » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:02 pm

flaxcottage wrote:Computer Concepts may dispute the authorship of Wordwise. [-X
Lol things get hazy after nearly 30 years.
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Post by tautology » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:28 pm

Here is a very basic version, with an attempt to read the bold and underline flags. But Interword tends to put them in strange places and out of sequence. I've marked them as pseudo-HTML (e.g. <u> and <strong>)

Rulers are supported in so far that the tabs will try and match up. If you'd prefer me to just put in tab chars let me know.

The random linefeeds are true to the original.
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Post by lordroberts » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:45 pm

Excellent stuff. Don't worry about the formatting tags, I'll do that when I format them. Tabs would be better than spaces as I'll set them up for hanging intends to keep the formatting properly.

I'm pretty sure that the random CRs aren't random - they split up the blocks into alphabetic blocks to make things easier to find.

As per my previous message, shall I extract the other hintsheets from the disc images for you or are you OK doing it?

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Post by tautology » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:47 pm

I'm already there - I'll just update my code to do tabs with a tab char and then will upload the lot of them!

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by tautology » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:59 pm

All the text files on the disc HEYLEY02.DSD should be in the zip below as pure text files.

Good luck with the formatting, though I could probably help with that too.
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by daveejhitchins » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:50 pm

Great work, everyone =D> So pleased you've been able to do the recovery.

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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by lordroberts » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:21 pm

Attached is a PDF of the "Dreamtime" hintsheet. Thank you for the conversions Mr Tautology! The rest will follow soon.

Even corrected a 27 year-old typo!
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by lordroberts » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:56 pm

Attached is a ZIP file of containing the instructions and hintsheets for ALL the original Heyley Software games. This does not include "Rise in Crime" which was only available for the Archimedes.

Thanks to “tautology” and “daveejhitchins” for retrieving and converting the original files.

These files are free for anyone to copy and distribute. If you've been stumped on a Heyley game over the last 25 years, have at it.
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Re: More Heyley Soft Finds

Post by aerworuld » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:12 pm

lordroberts wrote: These files are free for anyone to copy and distribute. If you've been stuimped on a Heyley game over the last 25 years, have at it.
many thanks :D

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