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Looking for some classic Archimedes games and demos

Post by eisdielenbiker » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 pm

Hi,
my name is Mark I am living in Germany and I am relatively new with an A3010 w/o harddisk. I love the retro feel with real floppy disk a lot.
I already have a few original games although I am not the typical gamer. I had been programming on the Amiga some 25 years ago when a friend
bought an A3010 from new. That was where I got to know the impressive 3D peformance then.
Therefor I focus on 3D games partly. Here is a list of the ones I cannot locate anywhere online:

-Galactic Dan
-Saloon Cars ( I guess there are a few English cars inside which I like as a longtime MG and Rover owner )
-Aldebaran
-Dungeon
-Chopper Force
-Black Angel
-Disk1 von Stunt Racer (2000)
-Technodream (it is 2D but never knew it from Amiga or Atari computers, looks interesting in Acorn User magazine)
-Saloon Cars Deluxe

I don't mean to have all these games in original or possibly still copyrighted form. Any playable demo would do firstly.
Is there somebody who might remember where to obtain these games or demos ?
Further I am looking for a scene demo called Misstech by Arm's Tech . There are just dead download links in the usal demo archive sites like pouet.net and demozoo.org. They do all refer to the popular icebird.org website however.
I have already checked the JASPP project archive of HD conversion which I appreciate highly but there has also been no evidence of the named games.
It would have been a reason to set up a harddisc for the A3010 in the end.
Thanks for hints and information!
Mark
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Post by flaxcottage » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:12 pm

Welcome, Mark. :D

Sorry I can't help with the games. All I can do is point you to eBay but they are riduculously expensive there. :shock:
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Post by eisdielenbiker » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:30 am

John, and you cannot count on the original disks to work at all. It is not my aim to store old things I want to use them every now and then.
It seems a lot of people just stack that stuff to catch dust. Probably there are some backup copies around. I understand that many old Acorn games had a instruction book or colour table protection. I.e. you can copy them but hardly use them. The degree of usability might depend from title to title. Perhaps someone has a hint on one or another game. And a backup copy might probably function as a demo.
Maybe someone has a useful link to the TOSEC archive where I have only found one small collection of all kind of software.
As to the Misstech demo the internet is beginning to loose memory I fear. Is there any Archimedes demo collector around here ?
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Post by matt_nottm » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:50 am

Is this the demo you are looking for? It is a Spark Archive (DDC) rather than a ZIP file.
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(1.55 MiB) Downloaded 11 times

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Post by eisdielenbiker » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:20 pm

Thanx, the archive's name seems right. But I cannot yet confirm the contents as you are confronting me with a little problme due to the size of the file. It does not fit onto my usual MS-DOS 1,44 MB transfer disk. I will have to split it using HexEdit in Win10 first.
But how do I put together 2 pieces of binary on the A3010 with 4MB of RAM ?
Is there possibly an easy command off the desktop ?
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Post by number-one » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:31 pm

Hi !
There is this German ftp with demos and much more :
http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/pub/systems/acorn/riscos/

You can check this Youtube channel if you need some inspiration, as there are many demos shown :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgWNAx ... q6zgg4b3Qw

Hope this helps ;-)
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Post by eisdielenbiker » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:21 am

Hi Number-One,
I already knew of the Stuttgart link . The collection is a bit chaotic. Looks academic in a way.
The Youtube channel is totally awesome although I already had one or another Zarchos video in my likes.
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Post by eisdielenbiker » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:27 am

I am sorry for the guy who contacted me via PM . I am not able to reply technically. Can anybody explain how to reply a PM ?
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Post by number-one » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:22 am

Why not try the APDL library ?
It is a bit better organized ;-)
http://www.apdl.org.uk/apdlpd/library/library.htm
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Post by sirbod » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:23 am

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 pm
-Galactic Dan
-Saloon Cars ( I guess there are a few English cars inside which I like as a longtime MG and Rover owner )
-Aldebaran
-Dungeon
-Chopper Force
-Black Angel
-Disk1 von Stunt Racer (2000)
-Technodream (it is 2D but never knew it from Amiga or Atari computers, looks interesting in Acorn User magazine)
-Saloon Cars Deluxe
With the exception of Technodream, these are all The Fourth Dimension titles. David Bradforth (who's handling the web and software side of APDL who own the distribution rights) has told me they will be made public on the APDL website. That was several years ago though, so I'm not sure of the timescale to release them.

Technodream can be purchased new from Matthew Thompson (PM MatthewThompson on here), who sells originals on behalf of Superior Software.
eisdielenbiker wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 pm
I have already checked the JASPP project archive of HD conversion which I appreciate highly but there has also been no evidence of the named games.
You won't find any of these titles on JASPP as the project doesn't have rights to distribute them, they have however all been imaged, some fully archived and others are in progress,, in the hope that one day permission will be granted.
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Can anybody explain how to reply a PM ?
You need to have posted more messages, or ask an Admin to give you access to PM.

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Post by sydney » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:34 am

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:27 am
I am sorry for the guy who contacted me via PM . I am not able to reply technically. Can anybody explain how to reply a PM ?
PM's enabled.

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Post by eisdielenbiker » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:11 pm

I still read when PMing:
"We are sorry, but you are not authorised to use this feature. You may have just registered here and may need to participate more in discussions to be able to use this feature. "

I hereby apply for being allowed to send personal messages.

And thanks for the APDL-link I only had dead ones before.... thought it was offline .
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Post by hubersn » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:07 am

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 pm
Hi,
my name is Mark I am living in Germany and I am relatively new with an A3010 w/o harddisk.
If you prefer to have your RISC OSy conversation in German, join us at https://forum.acorn.de/
Therefor I focus on 3D games partly. Here is a list of the ones I cannot locate anywhere online:

-Galactic Dan
-Saloon Cars ( I guess there are a few English cars inside which I like as a longtime MG and Rover owner )
-Aldebaran
-Dungeon
-Chopper Force
-Black Angel
-Disk1 von Stunt Racer (2000)
-Technodream (it is 2D but never knew it from Amiga or Atari computers, looks interesting in Acorn User magazine)
-Saloon Cars Deluxe

I don't mean to have all these games in original or possibly still copyrighted form. Any playable demo would do firstly.
Is there somebody who might remember where to obtain these games or demos ?
Always worth a look is Charlie's CubeServer, at least Aldebaran is there: http://qubeserver.com/
Further I am looking for a scene demo called Misstech by Arm's Tech . There are just dead download links in the usal demo archive sites like pouet.net and demozoo.org. They do all refer to the popular icebird.org website however.
I don't remember that one - if it is not at icebird.org, you won't have much chance - it is the definitive demo collection.

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Post by vanpeebles » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:11 pm

No MGs or Rovers(I own two myself :D) in saloon cars sadly, the three cars were Astra GTE, BMW M3 and Sierra Cosworth.

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Post by eisdielenbiker » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:17 am

What a pity.. The only car i can regard as a classic is the Sierra Cosworth. I won't miss much then without that game. I just thought of British beef engines when I read the title Saloon Cars. Not just 4-potters.
However I like 'E-Type' a lot. It's funny too.

At the moment I have 2 versions of Misstech. One even fits on my HD transfer disk. I have no idea yet what file format it is though. It looks a little strange. Dimager seems to write anything you feed it with to floppy disk regardless of the contents. I acknowledge that Misstech basically comes on a HD format. This path is to be followed farther....

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Post by eisdielenbiker » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:51 am

Hello Hubersn,
forum.acorn.de prevents from registration by saying 'reCAPTCHA V1 IS SHUTDOWN'.
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Post by hubersn » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:24 pm

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:51 am
forum.acorn.de prevents from registration by saying 'reCAPTCHA V1 IS SHUTDOWN'.
I'll notify the Admins.

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Post by hubersn » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:20 pm

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:51 am
Hello Hubersn,
forum.acorn.de prevents from registration by saying 'reCAPTCHA V1 IS SHUTDOWN'.
I notified the admins and now got the response that recaptcha has been switched off - could you try to register again?

After registering, you will be manually "accepted" by one of the admins before you can post.

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Post by sirbod » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:16 pm

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 pm
-Disk1 von Stunt Racer (2000)
I've just remembered I have Stunt Racer Extra Tracks - Series 3, which was previously unreleased. I'll get it released with the next batch of game releases.


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Post by sydney » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:29 am

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:11 pm
I still read when PMing:
"We are sorry, but you are not authorised to use this feature. You may have just registered here and may need to participate more in discussions to be able to use this feature. "

I hereby apply for being allowed to send personal messages.
Sorry, don't know why that didn't work earlier. You should be able to PM now.

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Post by sirbod » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:44 pm

vanpeebles wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:31 am
What are the tracks like?!
No idea, I need someone to test them in advance of the release as I don't even know if they work.

PM me an eMail address if you'd like to test them for me.

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Post by eisdielenbiker » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:11 am

I am now able to reply PMs, thank you.
However I am still looking to give Technodream a try. I would like to play it on the A3010 from disk as on A7000 any PAL mode video is letter boxed besides that I am missing the joystick control. But first I have to fix the IDE installation of HD and CD inside the A7000. I have read that one can recreate a disk from JASPP project files. Is that true ?
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Post by sirbod » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:17 pm

eisdielenbiker wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:11 am
I have read that one can recreate a disk from JASPP project files. Is that true ?
Unprotected JFD floppy images can be copied to a physical floppy, protected floppies can't as there's no way to write the protection sectors.

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Post by sbadger » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:24 pm

There are a load of demos here...

http://icebird.org/classics.html

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Post by Lukeyboy1967 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:44 pm

Hi, I'm trying to find a copy of Xenon 2 hopefully in ADF format. I've scoured the net to no avail. Does anyone know where I can obtain it please?
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Post by davidb » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:19 pm

Lukeyboy1967 wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:44 pm
Hi, I'm trying to find a copy of Xenon 2 hopefully in ADF format. I've scoured the net to no avail. Does anyone know where I can obtain it please?
I've no idea about where you might find it online, but CJE have it in stock as part of a compilation. Making an ADF file from it might be a challenge but I'm sure people can offer advice.

Feel free to introduce yourself in the introduce yourself forum, by the way. We like to hear where people come from and how they got here. :)

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Lukeyboy1967 wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:44 pm
Hi, I'm trying to find a copy of Xenon 2 hopefully in ADF format. I've scoured the net to no avail. Does anyone know where I can obtain it please?
I've not looked for this, but would have thought it should be readily available, at least the 1997 re-release, as this was given away on an Acorn User cover disc. Can't recall which issue though...

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Post by davidb » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:39 pm

Looks like it was published on cover disc 1 of the January 1997 issue. Maybe it will also be on one of the Acorn User CD-ROMs that were published.

Edit: Looks like it was on Acorn User Cover CD 3. Individual ArcFS file here. I suppose it might be possible to just unpack that onto a floppy disk. Otherwise it'll need to be kept compressed and run from the archive.
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