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Post by Roman78 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:21 am

A big hello to the Acorn community. :D

I started this topic because of the participation at the Classic Computing 2018. First of all: The Classic Computing is an event of the German "Verein zum Erhalt klassicher Computer e.V.", so an event with lots of old computers. This year I planned to take part with a BBC Micro, just because the last years there were non at those events.

So i planned to put one working BBC Micro on the table, next to a double disk drive and a small colour monitor. And an dismantled BBC, so that people can look inside. Also a Laptop running appropriate software for the UPURS (a big thanks to Martin Barr and the rest of the team).

But now it comes to the software running on the BBC. There is a lot at http://bbcmicro.co.uk/ but what games and/or Software is worth to demonstrate at an event like this?

Oh.. and for some imagination about the CC, here are some pictures.

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Post by kieranhj » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:07 pm

Hi Roman, great to hear you're flying the Acorn flag in Germany!

If you have a regular BBC Model B with disk drive then I am going to shamelessly plug our own Teletext Bad Apple demo, which will run on a 32K machine from a real floppy disc. :) Hopefully a good crowd pleaser!

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Post by BigEd » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:41 pm

Hi Roman, if you have a Raspberry Pi and level shifter you could demonstrate a huge variety of second processors - many of which were available back in the day. CP/M on Z80, FlexOS on 6809, Panos on 32016, DOSPlus and GEM on 286, and BBC Basic on the ARM2 (and on the 6502 second processor with 64k RAM.)

It's one of the lesser known but more remarkable aspects of the BBC Micro, that it could be not only a standalone micro but also a frontend to something larger and faster.

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Post by tricky » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:48 pm

Chucky Egg is very popular and as it was on so many platforms it's recognisable (and the beeb has the better physics version).

When I do shows, I find my frogger is very popular too, especially with the younger crowd who know "crossy road" and you can burn the main program to an EPROM (like most of my games) as a backup which can be launched with *FROGGER in the unlikely even that you have a problem with UPURS/cable/laptop. Frogger is also quite a good tech demo if you get into an 8bit wars.

Lots of people ask about Elite, but then can't remember the keys or Granny's Garden which I don't own (and is probably unknown in Germany).

I haven't looked which games got a German release, but I think there was a specific German beeb.

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Post by Roman78 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:11 am

Thank for the information. I'll download those and have a look.

I will save the games to disks and use the UPURS only for demonstration.

Oh and i have some Magazines to show :D. Hmm maybe some nice game boxes would be nice.

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Post by lurkio » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:54 am

Roman78 wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:21 am
But now it comes to the software running on the BBC. There is a lot at http://bbcmicro.co.uk/ but what games and/or Software is worth to demonstrate at an event like this?
White Light is impressive and fun.

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Post by sydney » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:29 am

Do you want to show games that are comparable to other systems eg Thrust or do you want to show the unique side of the beeb with game that aren't available on other systems eg starship command?

Have a look here for a list of the top 100 games on the beeb as voted for by members here and on the Facebook group: http://www.stardot.org.uk/forums/viewto ... f=1&t=8259
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Post by tricky » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:56 am

There are some other demos that are on the bitshifters site, eg The 3D Beeb demo. Option 1 seems to have a clear screen bug, so it is worth changing to mode 1 before SHIFT-BOOTing. Option 2 is great too, but the others take a while to assemble and the last one is a bit of a spoiler.

Some of their stuff needs a Master.

I don't know if Sarah has a demo of Maniac Mansion that she might be OK with sharing (may also be Master only).

If you want to show that the beeb can so software pixel scrolling at 50Hz, you could also take a demo from the Scramble thread, Scramble88.ssd (from ScrambleVSync.zip) should be the sweet spot for beeb timing.
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Post by BigEd » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:50 pm

Don't forget to print out some large-type versions of the
Short type-ins for unattended Beebs!

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Post by lurkio » Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:05 pm

Also, Nyan SID is colourful, silly, and unique.

And here are all of tricky's games:
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Post by Roman78 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:23 am

sydney wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:29 am
Do you want to show games that are comparable to other systems eg Thrust or do you want to show the unique side of the beeb with game that aren't available on other systems eg starship command?

Have a look here for a list of the top 100 games on the beeb as voted for by members here and on the Facebook group: http://www.stardot.org.uk/forums/viewto ... f=1&t=8259
I would say both. So something unique BBC like. And something everybody knows, like Frogger and Space invaders.

I play 2048 a lot.

I just looked my place were i have my table, and i'm in the Exotic Corner :D and i have a wall in front of me. This would be great for placing some Posters. But i have none. Does someone have some to sell? Or pictures of Posters i can print out?

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Post by davidb » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:42 am

People have uploaded scans of various posters over the years: You might also want to take a look at the community projects forum and its coordination of magazine scanning projects subforum. I have larger versions of the scans I uploaded if you want them. For example, some of the original scans of these adverts are 4952 x 7016 pixels in size!

(Edited to fix a typo and add the last paragraph.)
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Post by Roman78 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:57 am

Thanks :D

but i would like to have some about the BBC itself, not the games. More like these: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/cgi/ ... BC%20Micro

Especially this one would look great: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/ ... to%20come/

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Post by davidb » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:01 am

Take a look at 4corn for more resources. For example, here's a page of brochures.

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Post by BigEd » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:21 am

Click through (oops, no, view image, download, or right click to save) here for a big version of the BBC Micro geometric shapes poster:
https://nosher.net/archives/computers/a ... 82-09_001a
(And a whole lot more!)
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Post by lurkio » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:29 pm

BigEd wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:21 am
Click through (oops, no, view image, download, or right click to save) here for a big version of the BBC Micro geometric shapes poster:
https://nosher.net/archives/computers/a ... 82-09_001a
I can only get to an image with a resolution of 715x1000 pixels. Might not look that great when printed out, even on a single sheet of A4..? Worth a try though.

It'd be great if we had very hi-res scans of these posters though.

:?:

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Post by BigEd » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:54 pm

Sorry, you're right, I thought it was enormous. Turns out I have my browser set to 250% magnification for that site!

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Post by Roman78 » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:27 am

Well.. it is the biggest in size so far.

I'm going to spit trough the BBC User magazines i own, maybe i find some nice Pictures there to print out.

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Post by BigEd » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:42 am

Just checking out the top 100 list... is Repton a good example of a very Beebish game that's attractive and playable and with great music? I got the impression that sokoban-like block-pushing games are very popular in Germany. (Repton or Repton 3, or whichever version, of course.)

Edit: see http://bbcmicro.co.uk/index.php?search=Repton&on_Z=on
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Post by tricky » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:56 am

It is a clasic beeb game, similar to boulderdash, but with bigger sprites.

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Post by sydney » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:51 am

I find the problem with repton is that as many people hate it as love it. Personally I don't like it.
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Post by Roman78 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:31 am

Didn't found any high-res pictures yet. I seems pretty hard to find anything about the BBC Micro. For a C64 or Amiga i can get lost of high-res pictures and scans.

I even looked in my "The Micro User" magazines, but mostly there are only peripherals adds, not for the Micro itself.

Well so var this. Not something different... My setup at this moment. Thee Micro, disk drive, a little to new Philips Monitor (came whit an Amiga 500), and an High End Dell Laptop from 2001.
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Post by BigEd » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:55 am

lurkio wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:29 pm
BigEd wrote:
Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:21 am
for a big version of the BBC Micro geometric shapes poster...
I can only get to an image with a resolution of 715x1000 pixels
...
It'd be great if we had very hi-res scans of these posters though.
I found a scan of the product brochure AMP01 for the BBC micro at Chris' Acorns, from which I extracted the front page image at 4Mp. See attached.

And another scan by Stefan https://classic.technology/tag/bbc/. See attached.
Acorn_AMP01_BBCMicro.p1.jpg
AMP01 cover page
acornbbcsystem-000.jpg
BBC Micro scan by Stefan

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Post by Roman78 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:11 am

Still not that high-res. I found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/VaporwaveAesth ... bbc_micro/

At least 2779x3831 Pixels, but whit a fold in the middle. Ill try to Photoshop that out.

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Post by BigEd » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:18 am

That's odd, the images were downsized in being attached. Here's the two of them, in the size they were in their parent PDFs.
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bbc-micro-images.zip
AMP01 cover scans
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Post by tricky » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:22 am

Roman78 wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:11 am
Still not that high-res. I found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/VaporwaveAesth ... bbc_micro/

At least 2779x3831 Pixels, but whit a fold in the middle. Ill try to Photoshop that out.
And the barrel distortion (if that is the correct name) maybe?

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Post by hoglet » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:23 am

BigEd wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:18 am
That's odd, the images were downsized in being attached.
Yes, the forum does that now automatically I believe to save disk space.

If you want to retain the resolution, ZIPing (like you have done) should work.

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Post by Roman78 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:26 am

Aha, yes, now they are bigger. I'll have a try whit those. Thanks :D

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Post by BigEd » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:48 am

There was a full-page ad, captioned 'Broader Horizons' with the same image, or a similar one.

And you may have seen the same graphics used, with different things on the plinth, for the disk system, the teletext system, the Z80 second processor.

(The teaser poster had the caption 'The Shape of Things to Come'.)

There's also a US one, which spells out BBC in full, because of a name collision.

Edit: Broader Horizons huge image here. Needs white balance adjust. From Your Computer, November 1982, p24
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Re: Software/Games to demonstrate at event

Post by Roman78 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:22 am

Just stumbled on this site: https://acorn.huininga.nl/ with lots and lots of Acorn Stuff. Does someone know this guy? Is he on here also?

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