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WEST QUEST, SUPER TANK, and SPACE ARENA by OZARK SOFTWARE (Tony Reid).
West Quest was later distributed by PASE Software and is in the archive.
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Here is a PASESOFT advert from Your Computer July 1983 also featuring PASEMAN (by Ken Williams).
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Here is the arcticle from Home Computing Weekly August 16th-22nd 1983 that gives the history of Ozark /Pase and gives the author of Ozark games as Tony Reid.
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review showing GO from CLEMOES was on sale (via W.H SMITHS I believe).
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and this review from HOME COMPUTER WEEKLY AUGUST 6th to 12th 1985 shows the CLEMOES games were later published by BEVAN TECHNOLOGY.
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SUBMARINE from SOFT OPTIONS
A&B Computing July August 1983
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KONEXION and PONTOON from M&M Software
A&B Computing Sept. Oct. 1983
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BATTLESHIPS and SANTA'S HELPER from PROTEUS SOFTWARE
A&B Computing Jan Feb 84.
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FOOTBALL LEAGUE TEAM from D. SPENCER
A&B Computing July August 1984.
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STRIP PONTOON from HIGH VOLTAGE
A&B Computing vol.2 issue 11.
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And this one including WITCHCRAFT REVEALED A&B Computing 3-2 (Feb 1986)
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leenew wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:36 pm
Martech - Vixen
Why do we think there might have been a Beeb version of Vixen? Was there once some mention of it somewhere? I think it's less likely to exist than the infamous Beeb version of Bombjack (which almost certainly did exist in some early form once).

Incidentally, Vixen would probably translate perfectly well to the Beeb for anyone who wanted to have a go. It's not really that good though!
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I've found an advert for Space Fighter by Micro Power but it's for the Atom:
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Is it possible that the BBC version was written by Steve Hanson who originally wrote games for Micro Power but then set up Superior Software and released it through his own company instead?
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Rich Talbot-Watkins wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:47 pm
Why do we think there might have been a Beeb version of Vixen?
I'm sure Lee can explain further, but I see that he has labelled it as a "DOUBTFUL RELEASE" on the MIA megalist:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=14458&p=192796&hili ... ch#p192796

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No I can't explain further :lol:
Although I seem to have unofficially taken over the task of searching for everything that existed - ever... the original missing "MIA" list is not mine.
It is in fact probably a combination of lists put together by PitfallJones here: viewtopic.php?p=29024#p29024
and a list created by (I think) Crispin Boylan of beebgames.com
Both of these lists are (should be) instances where something was advertised for sale (not "coming soon") that we did not have archived.
Over the last couple of years 8 years :shock: I have chipped away at the list and tidied things up to the point we see it today. viewtopic.php?p=192796#p192796
Even now, I find new adverts and new games to add to the "MIA" list as I read through magazines searching for something completely unrelated.
Quite a lot of these games (as you can see from the adverts) are games advertised by bedroom coders in the classified ads of magazines.
These will have sold in very low numbers indeed and we will be very lucky to recover any of them.
The ones that have the greatest chance of confirming or denying are the ones above that we have actual adverts for.
In other words, this list viewtopic.php?p=312206#p312206 where nobody can find *any* adverts so far, are ALL dubious releases!

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I believe this is the only known advert for SWORD OF THE SAMURAI from ADVENTURESOFT / US GOLD
from Computer & Video Games issue 62 - December 1986.
Note that while the other titles show photos of the actual cassette cases, Sword of the Samurai does not.
I do not believe this was ever released.
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This interview from Planet Sinclair https://rk.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/industr ... rviews.htm
notes that NODES OF YESOD from ODIN was cancelled for the BBC Micro and MSX.
This is another game I believe should be removed from the list.
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Wikipedia shows CONFLICT by VIRGIN GAMES as being a 1990 release for the PC ,ATARI ST and AMIGA.
This is another one I think should be removed.
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Wikipedia states (in regard to Jeff Minter)

"Minter went on to develop a number of games for the Commodore 64, Atari 8-bit family, and Atari ST which were marketed by word of mouth and magazine advertisements. These included Gridrunner, Abductor, Matrix: Gridrunner 2, Hellgate, Hover Bovver, Attack of the Mutant Camels, Revenge of the Mutant Camels, Return of the Mutant Camels, Laser Zone, Mama Llama, Metagalactic Llamas Battle at the Edge of Time, Sheep in Space, Voidrunner, and Iridis Alpha."

I believe the SALAMANDER releases of ABDUCTOR, GRIDRUNNER, and LASER ZONE should be removed from the list/
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PUB GAMES from ALLIGATA
This is the only BBC Micro specific ad I can find. Acorn User August 1986
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This was probably released for other computers but not the beeb.
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GAMES PACK 1 from BBC SOFT
I can find no mention of this for the BBC Micro.
It is probably from an early advert for the Acorn Atom?
I think this should be removed from the list.
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This PDF document https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 6OJTe4_PYa
Shows that DEADLINE from CAMBRIDGE ELT is not a game.
I have removed it from the list.
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leenew wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:39 pm
I believe this is the only known advert for SWORD OF THE SAMURAI from ADVENTURESOFT / US GOLD
from Computer & Video Games issue 62 - December 1986.
Note that while the other titles show photos of the actual cassette cases, Sword of the Samurai does not.
I do not believe this was ever released.
CVG062_Dec_1986_0059.jpg
I'm almost certain this wasn't released on any platform.
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A review of GALAXIANS by SOFTWARE FOR ALL in A&B Computing 1-6 (March/April 1984) proves that GALAXIANS is NOT GALACTIC INTRUDERS and is in fact a different game that is MIA.
GALACTIC INTRUDERS has no difficulty settings 1-6 which is the biggest giveaway.
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Another one to add to the MIA list!
KUBLA KHAN from BLUE MOON SOFTWARE COMPANY A&B computing 1-8 (July / August 1984)
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MILLENIUM from FALCONSOFT A&B Computing 3-8 (Aug 86)
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I think I have made a breakthrough with VIKING SOFTWARE.
On the MIA list we have BREAK UP, SKWOSH, ROBOT, and SPACEFIGHT
Here are a couple of reviews from A&B Computing
A&B 1-3 SEPT OCT 83 lc-p046 BREAK UP.jpg
A&B 1-2 JULY AUG 83lc-p093SKWOSH1.jpg
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Staring us in the face on bbcmicro.co.uk, we have GAMES PACK 1 from CHARLES MURTON / MURTONSOFT http://www.bbcmicro.co.uk/index.php?sea ... 29&on_C=on
This games pack features BREAK UP, ROBOT, and SPACEFIGHT
So, I conclude that Charles Murton went on to release these via VIKING SOFTWARE or changed his company name to VIKING SOFTWARE.
Could I have some thoughts on how I note this on bbcmicro.co.uk please.

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FIVE MIND BENDING PROGRAMS FOR THE BBC MODEL B by GANYMEDE SYSTEMS LTD from A&B 1-7 (May June 1984)
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ADVENTURE 1 from ODYSSEY SOFTWARE A&B 1-3 (Sept Oct 1983)
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KNOCKOUT from THE SOFTWARE HOUSE A&B Computing 1-2 (July August 1983)
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BOUNTY HUNTER from J.D TRONICS
This cassette inlay, courtesy of everygamegoing.com at least proves this game was released for the beeb.
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RISK by LEISURE GENIUS, This advert from C&VG from Jan 89 shows the game was not available on the BBC.
I think this is another title that needs removing from the list.
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leenew wrote:
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BOUNTY HUNTER from J.D TRONICS
This cassette inlay, courtesy of everygamegoing.com at least proves this game was released for the beeb.
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Just to explain the background, this tape was originally mine. The cassette however was entirely blank when I purchased it (goodness knows where I got it from, it would have been around 20 years ago, though I know it was part of a job lot). I have no idea whether there was a duplication issue causing the tape to be blanked, or whether the previous owner blanked it.

It might be worth asking DaveE to check whether the write protect tabs were broken - I've a vague recollection that they were (which would suggest the issue was down to an error with the duplication process)...
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I have re-organised the list a bit.
I have put the titles that are highly doubtful releases to the top.
The ones with no comments at the bottom are the titles where no advertisements have been found.
Can anybody find anything else?

A&F - Minefield (For the BBC) HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Adventuresoft - Sword Of The Samurai HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Alligata - Pub Games HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
BBC Soft - Games Pack 1 HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Blade Games - Lazer Squad HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Bug-Byte - Dragon Quest 2 HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
CDS 3D, European Super League HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Comsoft - Jet Pilot HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Hopesoft - Atom Man (For the BBC), Escape From Orion 2 HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Leisure Genius - Risk HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Martech - Vixen HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Melbourne - Mordon's Quest HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Micro Power (Program Power) - Space Fighter (For the BBC) HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Odin - Nodes Of Yesod HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Red Shift - Tripods HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Riverdale - Aussie Suds HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Robico - Blazing Star HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Salamander - Abductor (For The BBC), Gridrunner (For The BBC), Lazer Zone (For The BBC) HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE
Virgin Games - Conflict HIGHLY DOUBTFUL RELEASE

Andrew Globe - The Blob
AUCBE - Quest Adventure Creator, Quest Adventures
Aztec Games - Bounty Pirates, Mission Impossible, Princes, Squash
Beebugsoft - Leapfrog Solitaire / Knockout
Bryants - Monster Battle
Computersmith - Oil, Detective (For the BBC)
First Byte (May be FBC) - Alien, Caves Of Anoran, Descender, Starfighter, Vader Raid, King Ape
Grandslam - World War 1
Hexagon - Cell And Serpent / Cells And Serpents
Ixion - The Cliche, Interzone Shift
Kingfisher - Car Race
Labyrinth - Quest For The Pendragon
Micro Plus - Glooper
MP Software - Shootout
Odyssey - Adventure 2, Arcade 1, Beeboids
Players - Quicksilva
POM Software - Games Pack 2 (Labyrinth), Games Pack 3 (Fruit Machine)
Rainbow - 3D Mouse Maze
Software For All - Galaxians

THE FULL LIST OF MISSING GAMES IS HERE: viewtopic.php?p=192796#p192796
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