Arch games that are better than the Amiga Versions

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Oh, and of course... Dune II! Though I dunno what platform it was ported from. What a game that was BITD!!
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Flashback - although I only ever got to play the first level demo from an Acorn User coverdisc...
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Hero Quest!

I think the Archimedes version was absolutely stunning!
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stuslayer wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:21 pm
Oh, and of course... Dune II! Though I dunno what platform it was ported from. What a game that was BITD!!
PC. The Arc version is something of a visual downgrade.
Flashback - although I only ever got to play the first level demo from an Acorn User coverdisc...
Also ported from the PC version, hence why it's a bit more colourful than the Amiga version (which itself is a port of the Mega Drive version, though the MD version ended up released later...).
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wmd wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:17 pm

Pipe Mania:

Amiga: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUCKC_-8rnM
Archimedes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is6ejcghdX0

Again, just all-round much nicer on the Archimedes, more colours, higher res etc. Having played most versions of Pipe Mania, under it's various names across numerous platforms, I'd class the Archimedes version as the best version ever made.
Perhaps its because it was the first (and only at the time) version that I played, I always thought the BBC version was excellent and very polished and frankly, better than the other 8-bit versions.
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I's suggest the following list for cross platform titles

Heimdall
Lemmings (Oh no)
Populous
Dune 2
SpeedBall 2
Chaos Engine
Descent (yay)
Hero Quest
Elite
Flashback
Chuck Rock
Gods
Magic Pockets
Alone in the Dark (can run it on A3000, but 3020 refuses to run it)
James Pond
Sim City
Simon The Sorcerer
Swiv
Wolfenstein
Zool
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14 of which are available via JASPP using PackMan on modern machines :)
Elite is available on Ian Bell’s.

Note to self....sort out Chaos Engine :roll:
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Yes, but what makes any of those "Arch games that are better than the Amiga Versions"?
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Indeed. That's just a list.

I'd be monstrously surprised if Arch SWIV was better than the Amiga version. The Amiga's custom chips handle the lots of tiny objects trying to kill you very well.
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scruss wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:23 pm
Indeed. That's just a list.

I'd be monstrously surprised if Arch SWIV was better than the Amiga version. The Amiga's custom chips handle the lots of tiny objects trying to kill you very well.
From what I remember Swiv on the Archimedes was pretty much the same as the Amiga version, it was brilliant and I actually managed to complete it, one of the best shoot-em-ups I have played.

I'm not aware of any Arc version being better than the Amiga version, they were either the same or inferior from my experience, Cannon Fodder was exactly the same as was Lemmings, Lotus Turbo 2 on the Atari ST was inferior than the Arc version.

Some of the Arc versions missed out 2 player options, or introduction sequeneces (Lemmings).

But I cannot think of one where the Amiga version was worse than the Arc version.
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Sadly one would presume that given the very limited Archimedes market size, any development budget for ports would have precluded significant improvements or additional features, regardless of the capabilities of the machine.
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MatthewThompson wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:45 am
From what I remember Swiv on the Archimedes was pretty much the same as the Amiga version
One of the unusual things about the ported Silkworm franchise games is that the developers had full access to all the arcade machine resources. Where possible, they ported them. I don't know how much of the actual arcade source made it into the final release, but all the ports were kept as faithful to the original as time and platform allowed.

There's only been one time I thought that the Amiga had an amazing port of a game, only to find that another version blew it away. That was Will Harvey's Zany Golf. While I thought it looked and sounded amazing on the Amiga, I played it recently on the Apple IIgs — and it looked and sounded so much better. The sound on the IIgs was unbelievable. Pretty much everything else about the machine was tedious, but it sounded lovely.
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SWIV is not an arcade conversion, it was an Amiga/ST original.
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IIRC SWIV having issues on machines other than a 'basic' ARM2/8MHz because it had to implement scrolling palette switching between the zones, which the Arc doesn't have hardware to support. When it worked, you didn't notice, but when it failed it was obviously a mess.

The original also has a shaded HUD font which was dropped for the Arc port, so at least in that tiny respect, the Arc version can't be considered "better".

But it's still a great game.
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