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Tatung Einstein 256 Machine and Information Wanted

Post by vanpeebles » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:24 am

Tatung Einstein 256 Wanted. I can't seem to get in touch with B&H Computers at all. Any ideas or Tatung thoughts? :)

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Re: Tatung Einstein 256 Machine and Information Wanted

Post by RobC » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:41 am

I think B&H have stopped trading.

Someone was selling 256s on eBay a while back but they seem to have dried up. When I bought mine from B&H, John told me that someone had bought a load from him and was selling them on at big margins...

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Post by vanpeebles » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:51 am

Ah that would be a real shame :( The website is still there, one of the phones rings too. Seems like I've discovered them just too late :(

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Re: Tatung Einstein 256 Machine and Information Wanted

Post by Lardo Boffin » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:22 pm

I tried that as well and got no response sadly. A couple of months ago.
There was one for sale on eBay up until recently. The same guy is selling games that it looks like he has copied to disc.
Unless of course the originals came on unlabelled Maxel discs...
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Post by trixster » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:46 pm

I was tempted to get an Einstein when they werent daft prices in order to see what its version of Elite is like. I just wish it wasnt so damn big, I have no space for one!
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Re: Tatung Einstein 256 Machine and Information Wanted

Post by Lardo Boffin » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:02 pm

trixster wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:46 pm
I was tempted to get an Einstein when they werent daft prices in order to see what its version of Elite is like. I just wish it wasnt so damn big, I have no space for one!
Apparently Elite is not so good - a review I read suggests it was lacking features such as ships exploding with debris etc.
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Post by vanpeebles » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:03 pm

Gah, sounds like we are out of luck :(

The 256 is a lot more of a compact model too.

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Post by trixster » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:10 pm

@lardo it can’t be worse than the msx version, that’s terrible
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Post by vanpeebles » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:14 pm

trixster wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:10 pm
@lardo it can’t be worse than the msx version, that’s terrible
It's probably the same, the Tatung is a very close relation to an MSX.

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Post by trixster » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:20 pm

The screenshots make it look rather similar to the spectrum
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Re: Tatung Einstein 256 Machine and Information Wanted

Post by Lardo Boffin » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:36 pm

trixster wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:10 pm
@lardo it can’t be worse than the msx version, that’s terrible
I have a TC01 arriving today (hopefully) and an einSDein card in a few weeks so will be able to find out first hand and report back at some point. :D

Edit - arrived and working! 8)
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Re: Tatung Einstein 256 Machine and Information Wanted

Post by Lardo Boffin » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:55 pm

vanpeebles wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:24 am
Tatung Einstein 256 Wanted. I can't seem to get in touch with B&H Computers at all. Any ideas or Tatung thoughts? :)
The 256 I mentioned earlier is back on ebay for £280.
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Post by trixster » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:17 pm

A lot of money to pay for a curiosity
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Post by RobC » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:26 pm

trixster wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:17 pm
A lot of money to pay for a curiosity
Yes - and apart from the "Welcome" disk, I'm not aware of any specific software for it.

It's a nice enough machine but the lack of software means that it has no real advantages over the TC01. I traded my 256 as it wasn't getting any use but I kept the TC01. My uncle had a TC01 BITD and loved it - he couldn't understand why I preferred Beebs :D

EDIT: And the Elite is pretty poor - looks like a rushed job. Chuckie Egg is pretty good though.

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Post by Pernod » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:34 pm

RobC wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:26 pm
trixster wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:17 pm
A lot of money to pay for a curiosity
Yes - and apart from the "Welcome" disk, I'm not aware of any specific software for it.
I recently emulated it in MAME, after the ROM was finally dumped and made available. The machine is very similar to the TC-01 with the main difference being the video processor. I'm also not aware of any other software specifically released for it.
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Post by stephen_usher » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:40 pm

The problem with the MSX, Einstein, Colecovision, Memotech MTX etc. was that the graphics memory wasn't directly accessible. All operations had to be done via the TI graphics processor using an I/O port and register set. This made non-hardware sprite graphical manipulation very slow. I'm surprised that the programmers got Elite to work at all on the MSX & Einstein!

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Post by vanpeebles » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:39 am

https://www.sellmyretro.com/offer/detai ... %2B3-30457

Would one of those work as a second drive? It's a direct replacement drive for 3" drives.

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Post by Lardo Boffin » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:13 pm

vanpeebles wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:39 am
https://www.sellmyretro.com/offer/detai ... %2B3-30457

Would one of those work as a second drive? It's a direct replacement drive for 3" drives.
I put one of those in a CPC 6128. Great bit of kit.

The plumbing is for a CPC. You would possibly have to redirect wires to make sure you got power etc from the correct places.
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Post by vanpeebles » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:22 pm

Would it not be the same, being for a 3" drive? :?: :D

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Post by Lardo Boffin » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:27 pm

vanpeebles wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:22 pm
Would it not be the same, being for a 3" drive? :?: :D
Its down to the wiring in the computer not necessarily matching the pin out of the gotek. Specifically around the power supply. I think the correct power pin for these is different in the block connector between Spectrum and Amstrad so could be for the Tatung as well.

Edit - I would certainly check before plugging it in! :D
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Post by jonb » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:31 pm

About Tattie Elite - It's a direct port of the Speccy version. Looks exactly the same.

By the way, I'm one of those heretics who prefers the Speccy version... as I spent many hours on it in my "yoof".

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Post by vanpeebles » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:55 am

Starting a Tatung forum, hopefully give this almost forgotten machine a home :)

https://www.robheaton.co.uk/tatung/

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Post by robheaton » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:24 pm

Just needs a suitable domain name now! :D

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