No more leaded solder

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No more leaded solder

Post by danielj » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:59 am

RS just told me they couldn't sell me leaded solder :(

Seems that's true:
https://ila-reach.org/2018/01/new-restr ... ch-1-2018/

What constitutes a professional user?

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Post by IanS » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:27 am

Farnell sold me some recently that arrived yesterday, try them.

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Post by danielj » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:30 am

Ordered after 1st March?

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Post by IanS » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:32 am

Ordered over the weekend, so yes.

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Post by Prime » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:13 pm

Just successfully ordered from Rapid, will let you know if dispatched / delivered.

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Post by jimmydeath » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:05 pm

Thanks for the heads-up, just ordered a couple of reels from Rapid

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Post by Commie_User » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:23 pm

This topic made me double-take. Not being a solder buff anyway, I would have thought some kind of lead substitute was introduced years ago.

There was that kerfuffle about lead paint, plus the din from the unleaded petrol and catalytic converter fuss is still ringing in my ears.
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Post by Lardo Boffin » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:25 pm

On the assumption that sooner or later it will not be possible to get lead based solder what is the alternative?
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Post by vanpeebles » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:29 pm

Pleased I've got a good few rolls in storage. I never got on with the lead free :(

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Post by danielj » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:38 pm

Lead free solder. Which is usable, but not ideal if you're repairing old things. It's also not as nice to work with. Higher melting temp usually.

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Post by flaxcottage » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:00 pm

vanpeebles wrote:Pleased I've got a good few rolls in storage. I never got on with the lead free :(
Ditto. :D
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Post by Lardo Boffin » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:08 pm

Is it www.rapidonline.com?

Anyone have any recommendations of which to go for? Assuming use on vintage PCBs of course!
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Post by Diminished » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:12 pm

Commie_User wrote:I would have thought some kind of lead substitute was introduced years ago.
This is the problem -- AFAIK there isn't one.

I'm no metallurgist, but as I understand it there are two problems with lead-free solder. Firstly, leaded solder has no "plastic" phase -- it goes straight from being a liquid to a solid, which helps if you're holding components etc. by hand and moving them about a little as the solder cools. Lead-free solder has a plastic state in between the liquid and solid phases, in which moving the connection around will result in a dry joint. Presumably not a problem for machine assembly but a nuisance if you're doing things by hand.

The second is this utterly bizarre phenomenon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_%28metallurgy%29

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Post by Commie_User » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Whoa! Though presumably, you can just peel or snip those off.

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Post by Prime » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:50 pm

Prime wrote:Just successfully ordered from Rapid, will let you know if dispatched / delivered.
"Your rapid order has been dispatched"

I normally get this stuff : https://www.rapidonline.com/Catalogue/Product/85-6274

Leaded solder is unfortunately a must for repairing anything older than about 10 years as I understand it's a bit of a no-no to mix leaded / lead free.

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Post by crj » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:57 pm

danielj wrote:What constitutes a professional user?
Hmm. I've been meaning for a few weeks to set up a company, and surely an order from a company would qualify as a "professional user"?

The only reason I've not done so is friends have told me that, paradoxically, starting a company is way simpler than winding one down. Having paid £12 to start it, you may end up spending £300 to get rid of it again.


The other option is that, so far as I can see, those restrictions don't apply to private import into the EU/EEA. So maybe just buy some solder from China on eBay? For better or worse, I gather they have lots of lead in China...

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Post by Lardo Boffin » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:01 pm

Having looked on eBay there is still a lot of it for sale.
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Post by danielj » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:09 pm

CPC just fulfilled my order... OK - just RS being a pain... Currently! :)

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Post by vanpeebles » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:25 pm

http://www.hakko.com/english/hikaru/pages/story8.html

It's all explained there in the adventures of Hikaru. Mr Yokoo knows his stuff!

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Post by 1024MAK » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:53 pm

Commie_User wrote:Whoa! Though presumably, you can just peel or snip those off.
They "grow" continuously and some are so thin that you have trouble seeing them.

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Post by danielj » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:21 pm

Some investigations are ongoing as to whether RS are being overzealous... We shall find out in due course! :shock:

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Post by daveejhitchins » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:54 pm

I've recently started my third and last reel of solder that I've had since the 80's. That means I've used a Kg of solder since I started my projects :shock:

Rapid order being placed first thing next week - - - 2 or 3Kg?

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Post by fordp » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:14 pm

I know where I can get my hands on lots of old stock if people need it. Expensive to post Royal Mail however :(
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Post by tricky » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:41 pm

Are you going to any ABug meetups any time soon or RISCOS shows?

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Post by daveejhitchins » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:25 am

fordp wrote:I know where I can get my hands on lots of old stock if people need it. Expensive to post Royal Mail however :(
That would be a real Forum Resource . . . Packing and shipping shouldn't be too bad as even MyHermes shouldn't be able to destroy a lump of lead! Even better if it could be distributed through the various meets we have . . .

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Post by fordp » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:18 am

tricky wrote:Are you going to any ABug meetups any time soon or RISCOS shows?
No but I could send you some to distribute if you like?
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Post by danielj » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:09 am

As I realise I'm repeating myself :lol: I thought I'd said that on Facebook not here. (post deleted if you're wondering what I'm talking about!)

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Post by Prime » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:39 am

danielj wrote:As I realise I'm repeating myself :lol: I thought I'd said that on Facebook not here. (post deleted if you're wondering what I'm talking about!)
Being perdantic, since you didn't quote anything I'm at a loss to realize what you thought you'd said, especially as you have deleted it......sorry my crystal ball is broken today.........

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Post by danielj » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:54 am

This is what comes of editing things on a phone... I'd repeated my comment about RS being the only one who're being a pain :)

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Re: No more leaded solder

Post by Diminished » Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:18 pm

Paradoxically, it seems like the chief effect of this ban on the denizens of this forum was ... a large uptick in sales of leaded solder. :lol:

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