ZX Spectrum next... Anybody backing ?

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Re: ZX Spectrum next... Anybody backing ?

Post by BigEd » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:01 pm

It's fine for you not to enjoy the same things that some other people do enjoy. It's fine for people to spend their time in ways which you wouldn't.

But what positive outcome could there be from challenging people to justify their interests?

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Post by crj » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:39 pm

Comprehension?

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Post by fordp » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:00 pm

crj wrote:Hmm. This sort of thing makes me realise many people experience retrocomputing in a completely different way from me.

It's cool to play with old hardware. It's cool to run old software. That game looks reasonably fun. But aren't they just running a modern game on modern hardware?
Since when was a Z80, or even a souped up Z80 modern hardware. I know what you are saying but blending old and new is great fun for me and I guess SOME others.

I always dreamt of using a modern ARM processor as the worlds fastest second processor on a BBC Micro and hoglet made this a reality a while ago. Is it retro or is it modern well of course it is both!
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Post by jonb » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:51 pm

crj wrote: But writing a new game which only runs on new hardware... that's just... writing a video game. Isn't it?
Yes, but it is written in Z80 assembler I assume, and that is an interesting endeavour to many. It's nice that they are able to share the fruits of their work, and nice that others have the ability to use their newly crafted software.

I'm tempted by the Next but I don't really play that much with computers (old or new) any more. This is a reflection of changing interests (since I bought a classic car, I have no time to compute) and returning to commuting (4 hours a day). Besides - I have several Spectrums including a 128K "Toastrack" model, so I think I can satisfy any Speccy cravings I might have in the future, without shelling out fro a Next.

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Post by Commie_User » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:29 pm

A bloke got a refund in court for the new handheld Spectrum being way too late to wait for. If this doesn't make the new thingamajig retro enough for some of us then I don't know what does.

http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2018/02/01/zx-s ... d-in-court


Oh Sinclair and Acorn.

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Post by BigEd » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:36 pm

As I understand it, the Vega was a successful project, the Vega+ a disaster. The Spectrum Next appears to be going reasonably well - uncased boards were shipped many months ago, but the cased version is running a bit late. I assume if there was any big problem with the design, I would have heard, and there would have been time for it to be revised.

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Post by hoglet » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:58 pm

BigEd wrote:I assume if there was any big problem with the design, I would have heard, and there would have been time for it to be revised.
I believe changes have been made between the bare board release (PCB Issue 2A):
ZX-SPECTRUM-NEXT-BOARD-with-Power-supply-keyboard.jpg
and the cased release (PCB Issue 2B):
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I don't know what has been changed, but I expect they have added the missing capacitor around the voltage regulator. And hopefully some more decoupling generally! So those that waited for the cased release will get a better product.

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Post by dp11 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:08 pm

I'd still be interested to see the EMC test results.

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Post by Commie_User » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:13 pm

BigEd wrote:As I understand it, the Vega was a successful project, the Vega+ a disaster. The Spectrum Next appears to be going reasonably well - uncased boards were shipped many months ago, but the cased version is running a bit late. I assume if there was any big problem with the design, I would have heard, and there would have been time for it to be revised.
That sounds more like the 70s!

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Post by northernbob » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:30 am

some of you are gonna hate this demo :P (its in stereo btw)


https://youtu.be/KpRyLrphxBo
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Post by hoglet » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:50 am

northernbob wrote:some of you are gonna hate this demo :P (its in stereo btw)

https://youtu.be/KpRyLrphxBo
That's very nice! It's the work of Michael (Flash) Ware and Jim Bagley.

Open source as well:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6tvph6ljuyo42 ... r.zip?dl=0

It's (obviously) making use of the Spec Next's hardware sprites and 256 colour palette. Very cool.

So not just your average Spectrum demo!

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Post by pixelblip » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:00 am

Ok time to fan the flames of controversy! It's interesting for me this as it opens up a can of worms in my head :)

I think partly what makes the platform is it's limitations............the 7 colour clash of the speccy..........I keep seeing this and thinking hmmmmm 256 colours..........it's not a Spectrum anymore...... it's like an Amiga or a PC running 256 colour DOS! :lol: ..........it is good to see new hardware though.......good luck to them though.......it looks fun.

Sorry if I am straying a little here in this thread.....I was looking at this the other day after Paul reviewed it on The Spectrum Show...........I think it looks very interesting.

http://retroradionics.co.uk/shop.html#! ... category=0

I kept thinking *sigh* wouldn't it be good to have a BBC version of this ..........I guess this one works as the spectrum is small.....maybe it wouldn't work in a larger format.....I can see the BBC version having a screen built into the top of the lid.

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Post by northernbob » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:57 am

seems there is a THIRD processor in the next (dont mean any gpu)....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWo-ErpVZC4

its in the wifi module. the bloke in the vid has been working witht he module for a while and infact he created an ethernet connection with it.

no idea if this could be configured to work on the next. atmo the wifi module is linked to next os on a serial connection, which is very limited, butthis was setup by a chap who is very into connecting to bbs stuff. There is much more power locked into the esp module.

ethernet vid....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKnyAYKP434

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Post by northernbob » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:41 pm

first commercial next game has been released. it looks nice, but lacks a bit of polish.

Am suprised there is no ingame music. still there is some good stuff on show here...

https://youtu.be/RlPqOqh_ejw

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Post by jonb » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:26 am

Err... it's a copy of "Attic Attack" isn't it?

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Post by northernbob » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:36 am

yup

seems a bit slow paced to me??

btw some bad news...rick dickinson has passed away :(

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Post by northernbob » Sun May 06, 2018 11:21 am

am a bit stunned by this one....i cant actually believe this is a thing....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Fni8V ... e=youtu.be

very interesting software!!

edit....HIGHLY recommend watching the other 4 vids in this series, impressive stuff imo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edL6I_6f3tY


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Post by northernbob » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:24 pm

nice demo of the scroll speed of the next.

https://youtu.be/LqDTbmFDgu8

personally I dont think that music fits the game style....should sound more pink and fluffy :lol:

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Post by colonel32 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:40 pm

I think I already posted this in the youtube links thread, but I'm working on a Robotron port:

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I backed the Next and got my uncased board in December, and have really been enjoying writing for it. The FPGA core has gradually been evolving in the golden window before the cased units ship to backers, and it's been fun to have been involved in the feedback and bugfixing process.

The debate has been ongoing about whether it's a true machine, or just an ST/Amiga wannabee. Many people backed it purely to play old games, or to have one modern piece of hardware that can emulate most of the clones and variants over the years.

For me, coding for it has it's scratched an itch, and has stretched me in different ways than I'm used to. I never wrote any 16-bit games BITD, so but other devs who did have been enjoying it too.

I have the UART hooked up to a USB serial cable and am sending code down the wire straight from the assembler at 2 meg baud, and can do remote debugging from a command line. This plugs into the UART port provided for the ESP-01 wifi module. I also have a wifi-enabled SD card. It's great being able to dev directly on the hardware, as the FPGA core is not settled yet, and the avaialable emulators are still a work-in-progress, as you can imagine.

The killer NuLA/sideways RAM MODE 2 game I want to do is going to have to wait till this is finished, but I'm looking forward to that. I hope to get a similar MDS-style remote dev workflow going on the beeb :)
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Post by northernbob » Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:47 pm

thats very flashy.....?

for some reason i missed this demo, earlier in the year...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bNz6vx ... e=youtu.be

which is bit higher standard than the ave?!

`The killer NuLA/sideways RAM MODE 2 game I want to do` sounds interesting )
Good to hear you are enjoying the board!

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Post by northernbob » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:43 am

TKPie support has been removed and replaced with a new SPI RPi interface.
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Post by northernbob » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:17 am

although things seem to be draggin on a bit with the next....i feel it will arrive within 3 months (that prediction better not bite me!)

we could use some help from any one with unix/fuzix experience...or any good asm peeps i guess.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/772267459595751/

there are a couple of other directions the gui might take, but frankly, everyone has a day job, and we have to adapt, something that already out there.

Anway, if you fancy helping out, come say hello.
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Post by vanpeebles » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:49 pm

Hi Andy, nice to see you are still about :)

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Post by northernbob » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:27 am

a slightly rambling look at the next games....

https://www.facebook.com/YamYamRetroGam ... 403282390/

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Post by northernbob » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:37 am

recent observation...

Allen Albright At the moment it's just an spi interface.

accel_io_11 : out std_logic := '0'; -- RPi pin 23 -- SPI0 SCLK
accel_io_10 : out std_logic := '0'; -- RPi pin 19 -- SPI0 MOSI
accel_io_9 : in std_logic; -- RPi pin 21 -- SPI0 MISO
accel_io_8 : out std_logic := '1'; -- RPi pin 24 -- SPI0 CS0
accel_io_7 : out std_logic := '1'; -- RPi pin 26 -- SPI0 CS1

but what i have may be old.

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Post by guddler » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:39 am

So much has happened in the time I've not been active!!

Will now be keeping an eye on the "Sold Out" status in the online shop. For now I assume this is because they are not made yet and then I guess it will be "blink and you miss it" for a very long while if not forever. Such is they way of all these niche things :lol:

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Post by northernbob » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:16 am

latest thing, hot off press...(for clarity, i didnt design this)

The Custom Spectrum Next PCB

As already mentioned, I received my Spectrum Next board back in December 2017 and since then have been re-creating a smaller version of it. Due to the lack of any schematic (due after the final Kickstarter units are delivered I believe) I removed the FPGA and worked out which trace went where. Now I have a smaller version of my Next board.

Here is the SpeccyX assembled just waiting for the back panel to be fitted. A total of 5 PCB's make up the handheld:

Mini Spectrum Next board
Keyboard/D-pad input board
HDMI driver board
Battery/power supply board
External connector board
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Post by JudgeBeeb » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:19 am

That is so cool. Makes you wonder how the VEGA+ people got it so wrong.
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