Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

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Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:04 am

Does anyone own one of these?

had a hunt about on Google, but just gives rom images for Carts, might need to try YouTube...

does this have a OS built in the actual machine? when I put mine on it just says "DATAPACK?"

I have two carts 16k & 32k eproms, but they are not bog standard for the masses.

are the carts just extras to get things like View / Viewsheet on a electron plus1?

Hope I don't have to unsolder a eprom from a cart & put in a low profile socket to put in a normal run of mill rom image !! :?
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:38 pm

all answered now with this vid :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgVzHPE6m8Q

so mine is useless unless I find a new 16k rom for the OS :-s LOL
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by vanpeebles » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:27 am

Haha, you managed to get a weird one :D I have an XP and an LZ, and they are wonderful little machines. Amazing to have a proper pocket computer way back then, with a programming language and machine code etc. They are built like tanks too.

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by vanpeebles » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:18 am

You can fix these, quite a lot of places online:

http://forum.psion2.org/YaBB.pl?board=f ... 1046000043

Have you tried both rom packs in different slots?

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:01 pm

yes it is dinky!

tried both my DataPaks (32k came with it, 16k in a drawer) but no diary :(

took it apart and it has 2x256 rams (64k :shock: )
and the other is the custom OS, which ain't socket ed or normal size, so I can't re burn a normal OS...
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by vanpeebles » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:29 am

You just need a way of getting some code wrote onto a datapak :)

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by vanpeebles » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:52 am

http://forum.psion2.org/YaBB.pl?board=f ... ay;num=103

I've had a read of this, do you want to send me a datapak, I'll type up the program here:

http://archive.psion2.org/org2/files/pos2lz64.zip

And see if we can get it working? :)

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:48 pm

Thanks for offer V 8)

i had a quick read of the link you provided, on my phone yesterday, will try to unsolder one of the 'useless' eproms from the two rom DataPak's I have and use my beeb to make a good eprom to boot from, & hopefully turn it back to standard.....

also got a Comms Link cable too with a 10v adaptor to power it, think the other end would fit into the back of my old P1 laptop , again more reading /time at weekend to see what can be done with that :?
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Post by vanpeebles » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:53 am

Is it possible to write them that way using a BBC? :)

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Post by CMcDougall » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:00 pm

^ just using the beeb to write the data to a blank 128 (16k) or 256 (32k) eprom,
as got a ground control UviProm (8/16/32k) programmer from BITD :D

looking at the file "http://archive.psion2.org/org2/files/pos2lz64.zip" , the readme says to 'Translate it' what is that? put line number on?? :?
don't *think* this can be done without another normal working POS first......
..unless you could be so good to Translate it to a rom image & upload here, then I can do it to a blank eprom.. :o
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Post by vanpeebles » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:02 am

Translate is when you compile the opl program into a runnable version. It might be possible to do this with an emulator? I don't have a cable etc to connect my psions to a pc etc. :(

It might be easier to buy the cheapest 2 line organiser you can find, and just write the pak that way. Your 64k LZ model is still well worth having :)

Or just send me a datapak :D
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Post by vanpeebles » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:24 am

Apparently there is a developer software you can use on dosbox, and it has an opltrans program, that will work on an old pc (or dos box)

https://www.jaapsch.net/psion/mandevkit2.htm#c41

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Post by 1024MAK » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:52 am

For Psion OPL, Translate means compile.

OPL “text” file = source code = human readable
This is then translated into the compiled code, which can be “run”.

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:12 pm

^ if only all machine makers had same lingo as Acorn! DFS = DOS , but Disc spelt wrong :roll: :lol:

here is the stuff I saved, again wish just left it to be lost for eternity :shock: , as now need to learn something new :)
Psion Organiser II -front.jpg
Psion Organiser II -front
^front
Psion Organiser II -back.jpg
Psion Organiser II -back
^back
Psion Organiser II -roms.jpg
Psion Organiser II -roms a
Psion Organiser II -roms b.jpg
Psion Organiser II -b
^roms 16k & 32k eproms, soldered straight to cart /DataPak PCB :(
Psion Organiser II -comms link.jpg
comms link X3 cables
Psion Organiser II -comms link adaptor.jpg
10v DC Adaptor (+ inside / - outside plug)
^comms link X3 cables & 1x 10v DC Adaptor (+ inside / - outside plug)

@VanP, would I not need to UV wipe the eproms first, as they are not Ram DataPacks, doubt the Psion2 can do that :?
so don't know if your kind offer is possible... but could try & would send you one of the Comms Link cables for keeps if any use for PC link
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Post by vanpeebles » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:42 pm

Ah good question, maybe there is some space free left on the paks? I did have an eraser but not seen it for years!

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:43 pm

here is what I get so far....
Psion Organiser II -batts in new.jpg
new batts in
^new 9v battery in after 26yr of no use :shock:
then get "DATAPACK?" then turns off.
Psion Organiser II -no comms link inserted.jpg
no comm link
^the 16k eprom does nothing (found it a year ago alone), but the 32k eprom gives this with no comms link cable in.
Psion Organiser II -comms link inserted.jpg
comm link
^with 32k rom & comms link inserted
Psion Organiser II -comms link inserted fail.jpg
can't find PC
^with 32k rom & comms link inserted, waiting for a PC??
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Post by 1024MAK » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:57 pm

Kilostream was a BT data communications system.

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Post by CMcDougall » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:15 pm

^yes, just Goggled it, it finishes in 31 March 2020 , as it's faster than my so called Super Fast :^o broadband :lol:

now to unsolder the 16k & 32k DataPacks eproms over weekend so can image them and wipe them to get this thing back to normal spec 8)
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:00 pm

me wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:12 pm
would I not need to UV wipe the eproms first, as they are not Ram DataPacks, doubt the Psion2 can do that
thought it would not be That clever! : 30mins? usually 15mins for 16-32k :shock:
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by vanpeebles » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:48 am

There are three kinds of backs, rampak with battery backed ram, datapak with the uv eproms, and flashpaks that eeproms you can erase via the organiser.

I think they are great little machines, shame they have such a niche following.

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:03 pm

tried very program / emulator, but none can convert from .OPL to .OPK file :x

I take it these machines need to boot to an OS, before allowing a DataPAK to be loaded in?
as just blown HB Games to a eprom, hoping it would boot to that to play City Bomber \:D/ #
but it just said "DATAPACK?" again :evil:

here is the rom dumps of the two DataPaks I have, can't make head nor tail of them :?

PS even with low profile turned pin sockets soldered onto DataPak, it now still does not fit into the cart now :(
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Psion16.rom
1F00 to 4000 'FF's
(7.75 KiB) Downloaded 5 times
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(16 KiB) Downloaded 5 times
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(16 KiB) Downloaded 6 times
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by Pernod » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:11 pm

CMcDougall wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:03 pm
here is the rom dumps of the two DataPaks I have, can't make head nor tail of them :?
Me neither :?

So MAME supports DataPaks in OPK format so I need some way of converting your ROM dumps to OPK, and you need some way of converting an OPK to an actual ROM image. At least the P464 runs in MAME so should be able to at least verify any conversions made.
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:48 pm

Pernod wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:11 pm
need some way of converting your ROM dumps to OPK
noticed the other Packs (from the emulator online) all have OPK at start of rom dump.
wonder as my machine is not standard, going by the links/forum VanP was good to find, it's some kind of BT thing....
so if you reverse what ever this does : (OPL file needing 'translated' to make a OPK/rom image for mine)
then my rom images will work :? (but don't see the words within the 32k image : MISSING PROG / KILOSTREAM IV )

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BOOT:
REM 464 - LZ64
REM PROG BY TERRY KITCHENER
REM 04/07/1997
LOCAL X,X%
POKEW $2065,$7D0B 
X=$7D0B
POKEB X,$4F :X=X+1
POKEB X,$C6 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$05 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$3F :X=X+1
POKEB X,$A1 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$BD :X=X+1
POKEB X,$C2 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$61 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$CE :X=X+1
POKEB X,$7D :X=X+1
POKEB X,$13 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$3C :X=X+1
POKEB X,$FE :X=X+1
POKEB X,$20 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$02 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$CC :X=X+1
POKEB X,$0C :X=X+1
POKEB X,$83 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$BD :X=X+1
POKEB X,$C4 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$FE :X=X+1
POKEB X,$27 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$24 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$C1 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$0C :X=X+1
POKEB X,$26 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$23 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$4D :X=X+1
POKEB X,$26 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$19 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$DF :X=X+1
POKEB X,$43 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$2B :X=X+1
POKEB X,$13 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$8C :X=X+1
POKEB X,$00 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$03 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$24 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$0B :X=X+1
POKEB X,$C6 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$03 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$09 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$27 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$03 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$3F :X=X+1
POKEB X,$A8 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$39 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$3F :X=X+1
POKEB X,$9F :X=X+1
POKEB X,$39 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$7E :X=X+1
POKEB X,$D9 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$3D :X=X+1
POKEB X,$6E :X=X+1
POKEB X,$00 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$4F :X=X+1
POKEB X,$7E :X=X+1
POKEB X,$C6 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$25 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$3F :X=X+1
POKEB X,$17 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$39 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$5A :X=X+1
POKEB X,$27 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$03 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$7E :X=X+1
POKEB X,$C9 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$FE :X=X+1
POKEB X,$7E :X=X+1
POKEB X,$CA :X=X+1
POKEB X,$25 :X=X+1
POKEB X,$39
RANDOMIZE USR($7D0B,0)
STOP
or can MESS do this for me? to sort mine out [-o<

noticed a FB page 'Psion Users' but looks mode dedicated to the series3+ , member 'Beagle' on *. must have one too!
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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by vanpeebles » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:56 am

Are you getting mixed up between actual Psion machine rom, and the two card roms? :) I'm confused now :lol:

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Re: Psion 2 organiser P464 July93

Post by CMcDougall » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:15 am

vanpeebles wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:56 am
Psion machine
can't do the machine surface mount eprom, as it's too small!!
these:
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