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Re: Atom Software Archive

Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:44 pm

Hi Iain,

Yes that is the book.

I'm now in possession of a scanned copy, so I've got all I need to check the listings in the archive against.

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Post by oss003 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:51 pm

Hi Dave,

it was good to expand the tables in the menu because I found these on my loft: :) :)

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Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:06 pm

Houston, we have a problem.....

I think we will soon hit the memory limit big time :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm wondering if we should start thinking about splitting the menu system into chunks. I'm thinking:
1) Commercial Software
2) Non Commercial Software
3) Book Listings
4) Magazine Listings

The splash screen could be redesigned to allow the chunk to be selected, kind of like in this mock up from Arcadian:
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Each chunk would be entirely self contained, generated in the same way we do today.

What do you think?

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Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:12 pm

Re: Practical Programs... I was going to pull in the listings from here:

http://www.bighole.nl/pub/mirror/homepa ... /pp/pp.htm

as they look really clean.

I'll add them straight into git.

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Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:08 pm

Kees,

I've finished going through all the Atom Magic Book titles, and making them the same as in the book. Let me know if you want me to post a snapshot of the current archive.

The next thing I'll do will be to add in the Practical Programs... listings.

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Post by oss003 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:16 am

hoglet wrote:Houston, we have a problem.....

I think we will soon hit the memory limit big time :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm wondering if we should start thinking about splitting the menu system into chunks. I'm thinking:
1) Commercial Software
2) Non Commercial Software
3) Book Listings
4) Magazine Listings

The splash screen could be redesigned to allow the chunk to be selected, kind of like in this mock up from Arcadian:
Each chunk would be entirely self contained, generated in the same way we do today.

What do you think?

Dave
Sounds good, using the same menu file and just load different tables selecting on the splash screen.

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Post by hoglet » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:14 pm

Quick update...

I've just finished adding all the programs from:
Practical Programs for the BBC Computer and Acorn Atom
into the archive and menu.

I had to correct numerous OCR errors, but I think everything is working now. The SPL Compiler is really quite interesting. I remember it blowing my mind 30 years ago that someone could actually conceive of a program like this, and then implement it in Atom basic. I spent ages trying to extend it (unsucessfully I think) :lol:

Not sure what to do next.... I'll probably have a go at splitting the Menu into four chunks:
1) Commercial Software
2) Non Commercial Software
3) Book Listings
4) Magazine Listings

My artistic skills are really crap, so I'll need someone else to have a go at updating the Splash Screen a few posts up with these four options. Anyone fancy having a stab at this.

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Post by hoglet » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:16 pm

Hi Kees,

How you getting on with the other two books?

Do you have a means of scanning them? I have access to some pretty good OCR stuff at work....

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Post by oss003 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:01 pm

hoglet wrote:Hi Kees,

How you getting on with the other two books?

Do you have a means of scanning them? I have access to some pretty good OCR stuff at work....

Dave
Phase 2 of the GAMES.XLS file is not going well. There are a few programs that don't work and a few with a lot of Dutch text.
I've added the second update but still a few to go.

The books have to be scanned at work because it's more then 250 pages.
Will see if I can do that tomorrow.

The scans of Computer Video Games 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,21,23 and 24 are ready.
The scans of Your Computer year 1981-1983 and Articles are ready.
The scans of Acorn User 1982-1985 are ready and 1986-2003 have to be checked.

I think there are some games already in the Archive.

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Post by oss003 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:22 pm

Hi dave,

Here are the ACL1-18 and ACL1-20 files

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Post by hoglet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:28 am

Hi all,

I've has a go at the new Splash Screen, based on an earlier suggestion by Arcadian.
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What do you think?

The key change here is that for space reasons we need to break the menu system into four main chunks, selected from the Splash Screen.

The Java code to generate this was fun :shock:

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Post by martinw » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:42 am

A thing of beauty :)

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Post by hoglet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:46 am

Variation 2:
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Post by oss003 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:23 am

Looks very good Dave ... =D> , did you write this in Java?
Mostly I use Paint and save it as a monochrome BMP. I have a routine to convert monochrome BMP to an Atom screen file.

Checking the WUYA files is difficult because there are failures in the listings :(

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Post by hoglet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:39 am

Hi Kees,

I've just checked the code into GitHub. You can see the splash screen generator here.

I kind of cheated, because I'm actually starting with the one of the existing splash screens (SCREEN1) and grabbing the Acorn Logo and StarDot/RetroSoftware logos from this. But all the other text is actually generated in Java. I nabbed the Atom Font from Atomulator, and the other text is rendered using the Java awt libraries.

Which of the two splash screens above to you prefer?

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Post by oss003 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:52 pm

I like the second more maybe with a litle tweak like this:
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Post by hoglet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:19 pm

Here's a snapshot of the latest development build of the archive, with the menu now split into four chunks:
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I've tweaked the splash screen further, because the earlier ones didn't look great on the real atom with the white border (this isn't present on Atomulator)
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Suggestions for further tweaks/improvements most welcome.

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Post by hoglet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:46 pm

IanS wrote:Comic Sans, really?
This better?
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Edited: After fixing a bug that was resulting incorrect counts.

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Post by IanS » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:19 pm

Much better, thanks.

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Post by hoglet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:23 pm

Here's an accurate rendition of the latest splash screen including the border, as it would look on a real Atom.
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Post by leenew » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:18 pm

I can never understand the hatred toward Comic Sans!!
Anyhoo.....

A small point from me, (and I know it is alphabetical now), but I preferred the previous order on the menu of Commercial software being first.
It's a toilet lid being up kind of thing...... It just annoys me more than it should :D

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Post by hoglet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:19 pm

leenew wrote:A small point from me, (and I know it is alphabetical now), but I preferred the previous order on the menu of Commercial software being first.
It's a toilet lid being up kind of thing...... It just annoys me more than it should :D
Your wish is my command :D (I do agree as well....)
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Post by oss003 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:30 am

Nice job Dave .. =D>
I think this is better now because now everybody can enjoy the startup screen until a keypress.

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Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:57 am

Hi Kees,

I've just finished some testing of "39 Tested Programs for the Acorn Atom". They all now seem to work. Many are not entered exactly as in the book, and some have been renumbered, but I'm not that concerned about
oss003 wrote:Checking the WUYA files is difficult because there are failures in the listings :(
Are you saying the listing in the book itself have issues?

Is there anything I can help with here?

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Post by oss003 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:35 pm

Are you saying the listing in the book itself have issues?

Is there anything I can help with here?

Dave
Yes, left out parentheses, in hostage a complete line is forgotten, text not aligned ... :?

You're so fast :shock: ..... I must still typeover one program and then I can test the programs.

Maybe you can try to find the 'Video Games Magazine' and 'Your Computer' games.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7dXeOa ... sp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7dXeOa ... sp=sharing

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Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:04 pm

Hi Kees,

I've looked through all the Computer and Video Games Listings:

You had already found:
- Blockbuster
- Bug Battle
- Skiing

I've managed to find another three:
- Breakout - Acl1-06/BREAKOUT
- Starwar - Acl1-18/STARWAR
- Duck Shoot - Acl1-03/DUCK

I'm pretty sure none of the other are on your disks. I've been grepping through all the translated .bas files for signature phrases across all the Acl1, Acl2 and DD disks.

I'm going to have a go at typing in Haunted House now. I may be some time :shock:

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Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:52 pm

Haunted House is now done and working I think.

I posted a copy to the Atom Adventures thread so we can get a bit of testing.

I've just been able to finish it.

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Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:03 pm

I think we might have to enlist a few more volunteers!! Anyone fancy helping out typing listings in? All you need is notepad!

I'm also going to have another try at the OCR this week.

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Post by iainjh » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:23 pm

I can try to do a few end of the week. pm me if I can help.

(fyi one thing might be of help if anyone has an iphone but no scanner, theres a camera-to-ocr-to-emailed-text app "image to text" by ricoh. I've found it works quite well in decent light.)

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