Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by -B- » Thu May 30, 2019 1:14 pm

hoglet wrote:
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Did you add a new resolution file then? (for 1024x768@60Hz)?
No, I'm relying on the auto setting.
Maybe a proper setting will remove the margins?

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by -B- » Thu May 30, 2019 6:30 pm

Well, I should have checked my monitor storage unit before I splashed out that 5 euros. I already had one with DVI.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by IanB » Thu May 30, 2019 11:06 pm

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Maybe a proper setting will remove the margins?
I made some changes with the latest commits that do try to eliminate the black margins in many resolutions but unfortunately, you can't get a perfect result where you have both integer scaling and the border exactly filling the screen with a 1024x768 monitor as the pixel ratios don't match up.
The latest version does automatically do that with 1600x1200, 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 monitors at the expense of cropping the border a little in some resolutions.

You can get a full screen with no black margins on a 1024x768 monitor in two ways but with some limitations:

1. Switch to CLEAR 4 and then call up the geometry menu and change the capture width to 256 and capture height to 192 (these values are named min width and min height in the latest version). Then adjust the H and V offsets to centre the picture, finally save the configuration.
This will display the text and graphics of the Atom display with no border at all but it will fill the screen with integer scaling.
(Use restore default config to return to normal)

Or

2. Call up preferences and change scaling from Integer to Fill 4:3. This will eliminate the black margins but the image will look ragged as it isn't being scaled by an integer value so after saving the configuration you need to switch on interpolation (which will prompt for a reboot so you must save the config first). This will fill the screen but the image will now be soft.
(Use restore default config and then switch off interpolation to return to normal)

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by etaoin » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:54 am

Lucky they didn't over-package the CLPD then.
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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by etaoin » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:01 pm

Just a quick question: we have a female socket in J2, but the corresponding header for the Pi isn't listed on the BOM. I assume it needs to be fitted (for the reset button).

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by hoglet » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:08 pm

etaoin wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:01 pm
Just a quick question: we have a female socket in J2, but the corresponding header for the Pi isn't listed on the BOM. I assume it needs to be fitted (for the reset button).
Yes, a 2-pin male header does need fitting to the Pi for the reset button to work.

I've added that to the BOM - thanks for pointing out the omission.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by anightin » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:13 am

Just a post to report another successful deployment of Hoglet's noise-killer board to complement the HDMI adapter.

Next job on the ATOM is to install Roland's RAM/ROM board which is built and hopefully ready to go after I get round to updating the CPLD -- I now have a Xilinx USB programmer so just working through the ins and outs of ISE Design Suite 14.7 WebPACK on Windows 10.
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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by hoglet » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:23 am

anightin wrote:
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Just a post to report another successful deployment of Hoglet's noise-killer board to complement the HDMI adapter.
Thanks for letting us know - it's always nice to hear about a successful deployment.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by anightin » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:57 am

I was pleasantly surprised at what a difference it makes to the user experience :)

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by wolfgang » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:31 am

Not pretty, but it*s done!
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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by IanB » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:31 pm

hoglet wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 8:47 pm
Nice find... I didn't know these existed.
There are some other types on eBay.
I ended up using the 10cm version of this Micro SD card extension:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TV-TF-To-Mic ... 2444801142

I managed to get it to fit reasonably well although it does partially foul one of the bolt pillars:

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Fortunately it doesn't foul the hole itself so I just cut away half of the plastic pillar above the brass insert:

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I cut a slot in the case which is slightly smaller than the plastic card holder so it is held in place by pressure from the case bolts:
(the micro SD card doesn't normally stick out that much)

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by etaoin » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:08 pm

Another working VRAM board. Interestingly, it didn't work with a brand new 55ns SRAM, but it works fine with an older 100ns one. But maybe that chip was DOA (I don't really have any way to tell).

By the way, the board currently has A13 (pin 26) to gnd. For it to be compatible with a real 8k x 8 SRAM, I think that needs to be tied to +5V.

HDMI-box next.
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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by -B- » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:51 pm

etaoin wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:54 am
Lucky they didn't over-package the CLPD then.
They’ve done the same for me!
I suppose it reduces their waste bill by sending it to customers.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by -B- » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:33 pm

Another one lives (building one for a friend).

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by sparkyhall » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:28 pm

Looks like an Atom disk pack to the right of your picture :)

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by -B- » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:06 pm

sparkyhall wrote:
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Looks like an Atom disk pack to the right of your picture :)
Well spotted! Yes I got it on Saturday but had to take it to bits yesterday as one of the disks had some dirt on it which transferred to the head and it squeaked and scratched two disks so I had to clean it.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by hoglet » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:14 pm

That disc is covered in mould - I'd recommend not putting in a drive, as it will clog the heads.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by -B- » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:19 pm

hoglet wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:14 pm
That disc is covered in mould - I'd recommend not putting in a drive, as it will clog the heads.
I found out the hard way. It appears to have damaged the surface, almost pattern like, of two disks so I’ve checked them all and cleaned the heads.

When the heads were dirty the disk squeaked while it was spinning.

Anyway, this is a video to HDMI adapter thread, I don’t want to hijack it with disk issues.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by etaoin » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:02 am

etaoin wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:08 pm
Interestingly, it didn't work with a brand new 55ns SRAM, but it works fine with an older 100ns one.
I have found that the 55ns SRAM works perfectly, after replacing the original white socket of the VDP by a modern precision one.

My white sockets probably haven't aged well. I've needed to replace the 8255 one earlier.

Will replace the CPU socket before I finish YARRB...

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by wolfgang » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:38 pm

Another one is working. Great picture quality. Thanks Dave!!!
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Today the last part to get it working (SN74LVC1G66DBV) arrived. The switches still haven't arrived in Germany, I did a temporary workaround. :)
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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by hoglet » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:45 pm

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by BillG » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:28 pm

Hi, just like to report I've got my HDMI board working as well (with one caveat - see later). Really excited and it's good. :D It's taken me quite a while as I knew I would come unstuck on CPLD programming - never done it before and I don't own a PC. So I tried getting Xilinx LabTools going on Windows 7 running inside VMWare on my Mac Powerbook and the DLC9G USB platform cable copy. It almost worked .... I could get the CPLD up and do checksum, ID, Blank Check, even make a jed file from the blank chip, but when it came to pressing programme ... I could only get cmd write buffer error. After a lot of fruitless experimentation with various drivers and getting into a confusing pickle I persuaded someone to lend me their windows 10 laptop which led to another round of frustration. Not being a windows person I got 32 bit LabTools to launch but no connection to the USB. Then only 64 bit drivers would load but 64 bit LabTools kept crashing out until I read the fix posted by Andy on page 6 of YARRB posts. Stunned when it programmed. Still feel I would like to get it working on my Mac, it's so close to working.

Anyway it works - I've only tried it so far on my spare 2K Atom. Really good picture but so far can only get limited colours on the second palette (image attached), not sure why at this point but I wonder about a dry joint somewhere. RV2 doesn't seem to do much, but the sync seems rock solid whatever. Anyway just had to post success!

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Post by -B- » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:10 pm

...and another one (built for a friend).

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by hoglet » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:56 pm

BillG wrote:
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Anyway it works - I've only tried it so far on my spare 2K Atom. Really good picture but so far can only get limited colours on the second palette (image attached), not sure why at this point but I wonder about a dry joint somewhere. RV2 doesn't seem to do much, but the sync seems rock solid whatever. Anyway just had to post success!
Well done getting this working, and for persevering with the nightmare Xilinx CPLD programmer software.

In the palette that contains cyan and orange, it should be possible to adjust RV2 so that the text is bright orange, and the semi graphics is normal orange. If it's having no effect at all, check the Palette setting is "Atom MKII Card Plus".

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by BillG » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:31 am

Thanks Dave - I've been away for week but today found in my excitement had somehow corrupted the palette file, so once I'd reinstalled the Pi card files last night everything worked perfectly, RV2 adjusts as expected. The display is absolutely fantastic! Thanks for a great bit of kit.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by bprosman » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:51 am

Tried to order the case but the companies I found thus far charge 15...20 GBP for shipping to NL.
Thats 3..4 times the costs of the box.
So will look for a "Continental replacement".
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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by -B- » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:01 pm

bprosman wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:51 am
Tried to order the case but the companies I found thus far charge 15...20 GBP for shipping to NL.
Thats 3..4 times the costs of the box.
So will look for a "Continental replacement".
I saw the same so I ordered from eBay and paid about 2-3 times the value including postage. Not ideal but better than 4x.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by etaoin » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:18 pm

I got my box from Farnell with free shipping to NL. But that might be for companies only.

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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by roland » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:42 pm

I have a business account at Farnell so if I can help just let me know.
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Re: Atom Video to HDMI Adapter

Post by bprosman » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:54 pm

Hi Roland,

Thanks for the offer, I have as well but the Dutch Farnell doesn't seem to have it in their catalog.
I can check the UK site.

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