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Personal Computer World scans!

Post by iainjh » Tue May 26, 2020 1:19 pm

Finally!

In a rather convoluted path, someone I know has got his relative to finally share a ton of PCW scans to us. They haven't arrived yet, but I'm told its a complete archive of every PCW, issue 1 to sometime in 1984. I had a few PDF's 2 or 3 years ago, but he wouldnt share more.. the PDF's are big, some are 50mb, some 800mb.

The condition of the old man to share the whole set now is someone puts them all up on the internet. I said they would go to archive.org so the joy is spread far and wide.

Anyone on here got fast fibre upload and knows how to upload a collection? and then share the link on here once they are up? I am in a 'BT not-spot' so estimating the size c. 20gb? Of uploads would take me til 2025! When the hard drive arrives I'll post it on.


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Post by jms2 » Tue May 26, 2020 1:50 pm

I'd be interested to see them, because I remember the first ever computer magazine I looked at was a PCW special which did a round-up of all the home computers available at the time (1983), including the Electron. I would love to read that again.

Thing is, PCW scans don't seem to be available anywhere on the web. I wonder why that is? Is it because the copyright owners are not happy?

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Post by leenew » Tue May 26, 2020 2:09 pm

Yes.
Excited. :D

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Post by lurkio » Tue May 26, 2020 2:23 pm

iainjh wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 1:19 pm
Anyone on here got fast fibre upload and knows how to upload a collection? and then share the link on here once they are up? I am in a 'BT not-spot' so estimating the size c. 20gb? Of uploads would take me til 2025! When the hard drive arrives I'll post it on.
Great news! I have fibre -- my upload speed is about 18 Mbps, so not blazingly fast, I don't think, but it'll do at a pinch.

Please PM me if you don't get a better offer from someone with a faster line.

:idea:

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Post by hoglet » Tue May 26, 2020 2:24 pm

This is excellent news.

You might want to consider passing them on to American Radion History, as they already have some issues scanned:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Pe ... _World.htm

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Post by iainjh » Tue May 26, 2020 2:45 pm

I'll PM lurkio! thank you you're doing the nation a service.

Hoglet - hopefully the american history site can be advised once they are up?

as it happens ive just received the 1st set in todays post! on a DVD! More to follow. I'l ping lurkio right now

this is wonderful

edit - thanks for that link Hoglet as one of the scans is incomplete, the one on that site seems better! I'll fix it

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Post by scruss » Wed May 27, 2020 12:35 am

I have a dog-slow connection, but I do have experience uploading > 500 items to Internet Archive.

I'd recommend using the ia command-line tool for batch uploads. Upload each one as a separate item just as a PDF. Don't worry about OCR: archive.org does that automatically. If you'd rather, ia allows you to script from a CSV file. You want these in "Community Texts"

Maybe ping Jason Scott (@textfiles) that these are coming: PCW has been a bit of a holy grail for collectors, and finally getting these available will be huge news. Not just for the likes of us who like ripping off Morgan Computers' impeccable lineart ads.

thank you, thank you for doing this!

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Post by daveejhitchins » Wed May 27, 2020 5:25 am

hoglet wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 2:24 pm
This is excellent news.

You might want to consider passing them on to American Radion History, as they already have some issues scanned:
https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Pe ... _World.htm
Well . . . That link lead me into 'brouse' mode - found the 1983 October issue and the Electron review (page 160) :D I don't believe I've ever seen an issue 1 PCB :shock:

One thing I did notice . . . the number of adverts!!! Used to love reading them - and dreaming, of course :roll:

Dave H :D

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Post by iainjh » Wed May 27, 2020 4:25 pm

posties been, and a bunch of DVD's arrived!

Hoglet, that site you shared was fantastic, has filled in a swathe of 1979 issues.

does anyone know of any more? missing issues that spring to sight are:

1981 missing july oct
1982 missing feb nov
1983 missing jan feb july nov dec


dont ask yet which are on the DVD's, as still copying.. 22gb+ of files.

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Post by hoglet » Wed May 27, 2020 5:17 pm

iainjh wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:25 pm
Hoglet, that site you shared was fantastic, has filled in a swathe of 1979 issues.
It's fab for old electronics magazines, like:
- Electronics Today International
- Everyday Electronics
- Practical Electronics
- Elektor
- Wireless World
- Electronics - The Maplin Magazine

On the subject of computing magazines, Flax Cottage has a great archive of Computing Today.

Dave
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Post by joachim » Wed May 27, 2020 7:49 pm

I believe there are quite a few Acorn program listings in PCW that have yet to be archived (see for example https://ukfree.tv/documents/pcw/#Programs).

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Post by daveejhitchins » Wed May 27, 2020 10:41 pm

Who's going to let Lee know . . . :shock:

Dave H :lol:

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Post by leenew » Wed May 27, 2020 11:51 pm

Don't worry Dave... I have that list :D
I think I may have more typing to do soon.... :lol:

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Post by daveejhitchins » Thu May 28, 2020 7:24 am

leenew wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 11:51 pm
Don't worry Dave... I have that list :D
I think I may have more typing to do soon.... :lol:

Lee
As usual . . . =D>

That's just triggered a memory from BITD . . . When we took over the production of the Plus 1, from Acorn, we didn't have the source for the User Guide or the time/expertise to produce it economically (two finger typing is slow!). So I ended up asking friends if they knew of a touch typist who had some spare time. We soon found one and I provided an Electron, Plus 1 and AP4 for them to type it in for us. Worked out well. IIRC it only took her a few evenings. The lady ended up doing lots of other work for us.

Dave H :D

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Post by flaxcottage » Thu May 28, 2020 11:16 am

hoglet wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 5:17 pm

On the subject of computing magazines, Flax Cottage has a great archive of Practical Computing.

Dave
Er ... Computing Today and Games Computing. :oops:

Could do with copies of July 1985 to September 1985 for Computing Today and July 194 and February 1985 for Games Computing, he announces in anticipation. [-o<
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Post by hoglet » Thu May 28, 2020 12:08 pm

flaxcottage wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:16 am
Er ... Computing Today and Games Computing. :oops:
Apologies, for some reason I keep confusing Practical Computing with Computing Today. Post corrected!

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Post by fuzzel » Thu May 28, 2020 4:19 pm

This is really exciting news. Ironically, when my interest in the beeb waned in the early 90's I bought a PC, initially for work but then found some great games like Doom and Quake. I also bought Elite Frontier but never really got into it. I bought PCW every month until its demise. I eventually had to chuck them all out, with all the adverts in they were fairly hefty and took up a huge amount of room. Now it feels like I've come full circle as I'm interested particularly in the early issues and the 8-bit scene.

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Post by trixster » Thu May 28, 2020 7:22 pm

I’ve have three A5 complication books of some of the more interesting PCW reviews and adverts which include quite a few pieces from Acorn:

Acorn Atom Benchtest July 1980
Atom advert Oct 1980
BBC Micro Benchtest Jan 1982
Acorn Econet Benchtest Jul 1981
BBC Micro advert Jan 1983
Tube 32bit news Aug 1982
Acorn Electron Benchtest Oct 1983
Elite advert Oct 1984
Torch Unicorn advert Jul 1984
Acorn Electron advert Jul 1984
BBC Micro advert Jan 1985
BBC Second Processor advert Nov 1984
Acorn A3000 Benchtest Jul 1989
BBC Master Benchtest Mar 1986
Article on RISC Nov 1985
Acorn Music 500 review May 1985
Acorn ABC 310 Benchtest Apr 1985

There are loads of other reviews of classic computers, plus probably a bunch of Acorn things I’ve missed.

If anyone wants me to take high resolution photos of the articles I’d be happy to, but I don’t have the kit to scan them.

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Post by iainjh » Fri May 29, 2020 10:58 am

october 1983, is on the american site!

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Pe ... _World.htm

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Post by lurkio » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:06 pm

I've done a test upload of the first issue of Personal Computer World. Thanks to iainjh for sending me the files!
Is the metadata okay? I've tried to keep the same title-format as the existing uploads in the "Personal Computer World (UK)" Collection:
Can I add my uploads to that collection (if it's the right one)? Or do I have to wait for, or ask, an Archive.org admin to do it?

:?:

Btw, I uploaded manually, using the webUI, and the upload was painfully slow! Perhaps the commandline tool is faster, or easier to use because you can queue up a number of uploads in one go? I don't know -- I've never used it.

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Post by lurkio » Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:10 pm

I haven't received any feedback on my test upload (see previous post), so I'll assume it's okay and I'll continue uploading the rest of the issues in the same way.

One oddity: the September 1978 issue is only seven pages long! The extant pages include the front cover but otherwise seem to be a random sampling of the original pages from that issue of the magazine.

:!:

EDIT: More uploads:

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Post by iainjh » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:53 pm

Hi everyone

1st, THANKS to Lurkio for undertaking this for us! I assume everyone's as excited as I am to see these in the wild?

Please can some volunteers check Lurkio's links and see if they look good to you? he has 25gb of uploads on the way for us and needs your help.

feedback in this thread.

thanks
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Post by iainjh » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:02 pm

1978-06 looks good, 78 pages
1978-07 also good, 80 pages

lurkio, the sept issue here: https://www.americanradiohistory.com/UK ... -S-OCR.pdf
looks good, do you want to substitute that one?

I'll restart on checking the files I have, and will post a note here if I see any others that are obviously short on pages

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Post by scruss » Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 am

Hey - not bad! It looks great!

There's definitely something up with the PDF encoding of Issue 1. 65 pages should not be 768 MB at any useful resolution! But I understand (?) that you've received these scans from someone else so you don't have any control of the input. The colossal file size may be preventing the Internet Archive from creating a smaller OCR ("PDF with Text") version. The fact that it's extracted the text means that for the first time, the first issue of PCW is searchable on the web!

Regarding collections, it's more when an admin notices. I've already pinged Jason Scott, and I'll link him to the one(s) you've uploaded so he knows what to do with them. He may make you an admin of the PCW collection so you can upload directly. I see he's moved the files to "magazines".

On the metadata, how about:
  • making the file names start with 'pcw', 'personal_computer_world', or similar. That way we can tell what the file is when we download rather than wondering what "1978-04" is.
  • for tags, how about adding: pcw, personalcomputerworld
  • don't worry about OCR: archive.org does its own for PDF uploads
The slow upload speed is partly down to the file size, but the ia command-line tool allows batch uploading so you don't need to manually re-key stuff. I don't know what OS you're uploading with: I only really know Linux/Mac/Win10-WSL shell scripting. After setting up your login details with ia configure, if the files are called PersonalComputerWorldYYYY-MM.pdf, something like:

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ia upload PersonalComputerWorldYYYY-MM PersonalComputerWorldYYYY-MM.pdf \ 
    --metadata="mediatype:texts" --metadata='title:Personal Computer World Magazine, YYYY-MM' \ 
    --metadata='lang:English' --metadata="subject:computers" --metadata="subject:computing" \ 
    --metadata="subject:magazine" --metadata="subject:pcw" --metadata="subject:personalcomputerworld" \ 
    --metadata="subject:UK" --metadata="date:YYYY-MM" \ 
    --metadata="description:<p>Personal Computer World Magazine<br />YYYY-MM</p>"
will upload an item, create it, and populate most of the useful fields in one go.
(I split the lines with \, you might want to avoid that)

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Post by lurkio » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:17 am

scruss wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 am
Hey - not bad! It looks great! ...
Thanks for the feedback, scruss!

I'll start investigating the commandline tool later today.

:idea:

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Post by lurkio » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:29 pm

scruss wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 am
I understand (?) that you've received these scans from someone else so you don't have any control of the input.
That's correct. iainjh got the scans from a mysterious :wink: contact and sent copies to me, as discussed in previous messages in this thread.

scruss wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 am
I've already pinged Jason Scott, and I'll link him to the one(s) you've uploaded so he knows what to do with them.
Thanks!

scruss wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 am
On the metadata, how about ... making the file names start with 'pcw', 'personal_computer_world', or similar. That way we can tell what the file is when we download rather than wondering what "1978-04" is.
I just tried using the commandline to tool to rename one of the files I'd already uploaded, but although the PDF filename seems to have been changed from 1978-10.pdf to pcw1978-10.pdf, the preview has disappeared, and the derive task is taking a long time to complete. I think I'll leave the filenames as they are for now because I'd rather keep the filenames of all my uploads consistent if possible. (Though I admit I can't give you a very good reason why!) But I might add "pcw" prefixes to all of them later on, depending on whether that derive task on pcw1978-10.pdf is successful.

scruss wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:39 am
for tags, how about adding: pcw, personalcomputerworld
Good idea. I'll start adding those to new uploads straight away. I'll try to go back and add those tags to the existing uploads later.

:idea:

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Post by IanB » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:40 pm

iainjh wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:25 pm
dont ask yet which are on the DVD's, as still copying.. 22gb+ of files.
Have you got a final list of any missing ones and where the collection ends?

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Post by scruss » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:11 pm

Sorry about my delayed reply yesterday: work got in the way!
lurkio wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:29 pm
I just tried using the commandline to tool to rename one of the files I'd already uploaded, but although the PDF filename seems to have been changed from 1978-10.pdf to pcw1978-10.pdf, the preview has disappeared, and the derive task is taking a long time to complete.
Ah, I wouldn't bother renaming the files. Derive takes a really long time, and it's not clever enough to tell if only a file's name has changed. If anything important appears to have changed, derive starts all over again. Which can be a couple of days for really big files during busy times.
Good idea. I'll start adding those to new uploads straight away. I'll try to go back and add those tags to the existing uploads later.
Now there's a few up there with the same tags, it probably won't help much to add more tags. I see that Jason is having the files added to the main PCW collection as they upload, so they'll be easy to find. Plus the text indexing will help people find out about early UK home computing too!

Thanks so much for doing this. It fills a big gap in computer history.

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Post by lurkio » Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:48 pm

The uploads continue:

Btw, another anomaly has been pointed out to me: the April 1983 issue is only 22 pages long. @iainjh: any idea why?

:?:

EDIT: All the issues that I was sent have now been uploaded to Archive.org.

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Post by IanB » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:41 pm

lurkio wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:48 pm
Btw, another anomaly has been pointed out to me: the April 1983 issue is only 22 pages long. @iainjh: any idea why?
EDIT: All the issues that I was sent have now been uploaded to Archive.org.
Thanks to all concerned for these.

I have a few of the missing ones:

1983-04 (full version)
1983-11
1983-12

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