Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:21 pm

A further thought, if you throw one (a disk) at someone (like happened in the eighties) does it definitely become a disc as in the sport discus throwing? :lol:

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by chinnyhill10 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:13 pm

CMcDougall wrote:
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jgharston wrote:
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programs running on this laptop can read and write DFS disk images
:roll: it's called emulate :roll:

We are not American, Acorn was British, so it's disc, checks all install/manuals written by Acorn to confirm correct spelling #-o
Both Acorn and Amstrad agreed on this. 3 inch compact floppies were only ever referred to as "disc" by Amstrad and they sold millions of them. The fact that some of the CPC designers had previously worked on writing software for the BBC Micro is neither here nor there.

Wonder if the PC1512 and 1640 manuals refer to disc or disk?

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:56 pm

Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions
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Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions - front cover
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Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions - index showing disk
Amstrad PC1640 Technical Reference Manual
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Amstrad PC1640 Technical Reference Manual - front cover
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Amstrad PC1640 Technical Reference Manual - index showing disk
But wait! :shock:
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Amstrad PC1640 Technical Reference Manual - color!
Which is funny, as the Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions book uses colour.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Elminster » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:13 pm

1024MAK wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:56 pm

But wait! :shock:

Which is funny, as the Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions book uses colour.

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They probably dropped the 'u' to save printing costs :)

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Rich Talbot-Watkins » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:21 pm

Elminster wrote:
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They probably dropped the 'u' to save printing costs :)
Nonsense, everyone knows that the correct spelling is coloueur.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by CMcDougall » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:44 pm

1024MAK wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:56 pm
the Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions book uses colour
well, well I never! :lol: #-o =D> =D>

anyways, back to discs 8)
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by chinnyhill10 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:12 pm

1024MAK wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:56 pm
Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions

Which is funny, as the Amstrad PC1640 User Instructions book uses colour.

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Amazing when you consider it was the same teams writing the manuals for all the machines. Must have been a conscious decision due to having to include the DRDOS, MSDOS and GEM manuals with the machines?

Also impressed they did a technical reference manual.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:19 pm

chinnyhill10 wrote:
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Amazing when you consider it was the same teams writing the manuals for all the machines. Must have been a conscious decision due to having to include the DRDOS, MSDOS and GEM manuals with the machines?
I’ll have to check, but I think the DRDOS, MSDOS and GEM documentation (or at least large parts) are all part of the User Instructions book. It’s just over 500 pages long.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by BigEd » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:51 pm

See what the printed word has to say.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by JonC » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:57 pm

It's disc of course. Terry Pratchett would spin in his grave if you mentioned his Diskworld Novels! :shock: :lol:
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by guesser » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:29 am

You can't accuse Amstrad of being consistent [-X
Here's a selection of pages from a couple of +3 service manuals

The +3 service manual:
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disc2.jpg
The +3B service manual:
disk1.jpg
disc.jpg
disk2.jpg
Then there's the labelling on the case... The printed aluminium plate on the top says "FLOPPY DISC DRIVE" and the rear of the case says "DISK B:"
I don't have a printed manual here so can't check, but the PDFs I have of the +3 and black +2 manuals both use disk throughout.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by danielj » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:55 am

I wonder what we can read into this lack of consistency? :-k

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by BigEd » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:15 am

It's always "disc jockey". I think what we see is an early difference between American English and British English - much like program vs programme - where the American usage eventually came to dominate, at least in the realm of computing.

It's very common for people to fixate on the usage they first came across and to insist that it's the correct usage. But it's not held to be very wise - language is always in flux.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by danielj » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:17 am

Indeed. There are many words we think of as being Americanisms which are just old English that fell out of fashion (e.g. "slick").

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Elminster » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:20 am

English is a funny thing. Like when people organise a bi-weekly meeting and some people turnup twice a week, and some turn up every fortnight.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by BigEd » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:27 am

I'm fairly sure that flammable and inflammable used to be opposites, and then were not, and we had non-inflammable. (Edit: on reflection I'm not at all sure of this...)
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by guesser » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:56 am

We should be OK as long as no-one mentions any -IZE/ISE words like the RANDOMIZE token in Sinclair BASIC...
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Elminster » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:13 am

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We should be OK as long as no-one mentions any -IZE/ISE words like the RANDOMIZE token in Sinclair BASIC...
Another can of worms. As some words in British English are spelt IZE and people automatically assume it is spelt American and change it to ISE, which is wrong. I now often spell them wrong, I.e. ISE, because got fed up with people ‘correcting’ them

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Richard Russell » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:21 am

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Another can of worms. As some words in British English are spelt IZE and people automatically assume it is spelt American and change it to ISE, which is wrong.
Indeed, I received quite a reaction to my use of 'Customize' in the BBC BASIC for Windows menu, until I pointed out that the British dictionaries I had consulted were adamant it was the correct spelling. Mind you I never went along with OED's preference for 'connexion' rather than 'connection' and I think they've relented in more recent editions.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by guesser » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:22 am

Elminster wrote:
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Another can of worms.
Yup, that's why I carefully didn't mention it this forum thread :wink:

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by lurkio » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:26 am

BigEd wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:27 am
I'm fairly sure that flammable and inflammable used to be opposites, and then were not, and we had non-inflammable. (Edit: on reflection I'm not at all sure of this...)
The OED reckons "inflammable" has meant "capable of being inflamed" since it was first recorded, in 1605. The verb "inflame" itself goes back to the 1300s:

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Elminster » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:30 am

guesser wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:22 am
Elminster wrote:
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Another can of worms.
Yup, that's why I carefully didn't mention it this forum thread :wink:

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by BigEd » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:40 am

lurkio wrote:
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The OED reckons "inflammable" has meant "capable of being inflamed" since it was first recorded, in 1605.
Yeah, I had a suspicion I was in a world of my own on that one...

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:54 pm

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We should be OK as long as no-one mentions any -IZE/ISE words like the RANDOMIZE token in Sinclair BASIC...
Ahh, not this again, you mean ZX Spectrum BASIC. We’ve been here before on another forum...
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by guesser » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:53 pm

1024MAK wrote:
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Ahh, not this again
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Kazzie » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:21 am

1024MAK wrote:
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As I've I've been mentioned, thank Col :D , Disc for me, Darn-it, we're British!
Actually, you could argue that we are either English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish, not “British”. Although you could continue to pick hairs, as we have so been invaded so many times, that we are more European than pure ‘British’...
One might think that Welsh, with its lack of the letter 'k', would settle the issue, but we actually spell it "disg" instead. :roll:
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by danielj » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:06 am

Kazzie wrote:
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One might think that Welsh, with its lack of the letter 'k', would settle the issue, but we actually spell it "disg" instead. :roll:
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by richmond62 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:37 am

LiveCode; a programming language I use all the time, is made in Scotland, but the people who make it
have taken a conscious decision to use American spelling. . . so 'Color' and so on . . . I don't know whether
this should be viewed as pandering, or a decision based on some theory that Americans get "all funny"
when they see non-American English usage, or a theory that Americans are "just too thick" to understand
alternative spellings. Ultimately, when push comes to shove it doesn't really matter: just makes me laugh
and wonder why LiveCode took that decision (inferiority complex?).

Anyway, a while back (about 1978) I was told, at school, in England, that "programme" was now used for
everything except for a computer "program", and that "disk" referred to those big floppy things in black plastic
sleeves, while "disc" referred to gramophone records, things you chucked around (frisbees, discuses) and other
circular things.

So, I don't care whether "disk" or "disc" - a slipped disk is just as painful as a slipped disc (and I've experienced
both: the first in Illinois in 1994, the second in Scotland in 2003) . . . but if you get onto "catalog", "dialog" and
"skeptical", I do begin to get lumpy and my sense of humor (err . . . whoops . . . "humour") gets in trouble. 8)

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:10 pm

richmond62 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:37 am
Anyway, a while back (about 1978) I was told, at school, in England, that "programme" was now used for
everything except for a computer "program", and that "disk" referred to those big floppy things in black plastic
sleeves, while "disc" referred to gramophone records, things you chucked around (frisbees, discuses) and other
circular things.
Aye, that’s what I was taught at school (1982 - 1984).

English is whatever you want it to be, so use the spelling you prefer, just keep in mind others may prefer an alternate spelling...

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by BeebMaster » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:10 pm

BigEd wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:27 am
I'm fairly sure that flammable and inflammable used to be opposites, and then were not, and we had non-inflammable. (Edit: on reflection I'm not at all sure of this...)
Nowadays the easiest way around this is to categori*e things as BeebMasterproof and non-BeebMasterproof.


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