Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by danielj » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:03 am

I noticed :D - fortunately it only filters on display, it didn't change the content of the database.

Anyway, ask you were! Disck on!

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:13 am

The Acorn disc system goes back to the Acorn System, so that’s when Acorn fixed their terminology I suspect.

You could make the case that maybe Amstrad copied Acorn (Amstrad owning Sinclair, and hence it was Amstrad staff who produced the Sinclair +3).

Obviously Orac may, or may not have been influenced by Acorn.

It may also be possible that there were regional differences.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:29 am

The Marshall Cavendish book Micro-Computer Catalogue, A Complete Guide to Micros under £2000 (ISBN 0 86307 179 1) published in 1983 uses disk. You can download a copy here.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:47 am

Mind, it’s hardly surprising that ‘disk’ caught on world wide as back in 1973 IBM used ‘disk’ in its documentation for it’s IBM 3740 system.

IBM 3740 Announcement (1973) (IBM Archives)

IBM 3740 document (1974)(PDF)

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:57 am

1024MAK wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:13 am
The Acorn disc system goes back to the Acorn System, so that’s when Acorn fixed their terminology I suspect.
Or maybe not!
Look at the spelling they used in this brochure (PDF) and in the Acorn 6809 User's manual (PDF).

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by lurkio » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:26 am

cmorley wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:37 am
The BBC Microcomputer User Guide refers to the disc and disc system all the way through.
Instances of "disc" vs. "disk" in the Beeb user guide (see the little blue markers at the bottom of the screen):

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disc

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disk

The counts are approximate only. You get slightly different results if you search dv8's remastered PDF, which I suspect is more faithful to the original paper manual.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by cmorley » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:28 am

Read the pages... disk refers to a Tower of Hanoi example in the manual page for PROC not a floppy.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by geraldholdsworth » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:28 am

In my opinion, spelling it 'disc' or 'disk' is personal preference and does not really matter.
I see 'disk' as being a shortened version of 'diskette', but I find that 'disc' is a more aesthetically pleasing word.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by lurkio » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 am

cmorley wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:28 am
Read the pages... disk refers to a Tower of Hanoi example in the manual page for PROC not a floppy.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by cmorley » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:38 am

Fair enough. That isn't in my PDF version labelled issue 1 Oct 1984 but is in the print copy I just opened labelled issue 1 May 1984.

Edit: The whole UGs are very much different in fact...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... T_QHt6dvda

Ahh.. I think my PDF is the B+ guide mislabelled!
Yes definitely the B+ manual. Sorry, apologies Lurkio.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Elminster » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:52 am

Can’t believe I am joining the debate so late !!

Perhaps we can in future just call them ‘rounds’?

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by leenew » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:38 pm

I concur with everything. From everybody.
I think the little blue square "floppy discs" should obviously be called "hard squares".

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Lardo Boffin » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:53 pm

leenew wrote:
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little blue square
And black! And in the case of my banana discs - yellow.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by guesser » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:08 pm

leenew wrote:
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I think the little blue square "floppy discs" should obviously be called "hard squares".
Or ‘save icons’ :wink:
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by danielj » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:26 pm

leenew wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:38 pm
I concur with everything. From everybody.
I think the little blue square "floppy discs" should obviously be called "hard squares".

Lee
In South Africa they called them "stiffies".

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by rmbrowngr » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:17 pm

Difficult one. Much prefer disc instead of disk. Everyone, but everyone in Greece uses the “American” spelling for IT\computer terminology unfortunately. If I’m proof reading English documents I do get pleasure changing the spelling to British English. I justify it that we are in Europe.

On another note, I do remember O level computer studies lesson (early 80’s) with the teacher informing us that computer terminology is written the American way. E.g. disk, not disc and program, not programme. Wonderful state education! And disappointedly, not a Beeb in sight at my high school. Only research machines.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Elminster » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:27 pm

I will use both programme and program in the same doc, just in a different context. I.e. a programme of work, or a computer program. You will find in the UK even lots people in IT (not me) with say AZ or DMZ and pronounce the Zed as Zee. A losing battle I am afraid.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by CMcDougall » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:14 pm

1024MAK wrote:
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Which one?
Here are THREE (I stopped looking after the first three...)
It was within 5yr Mark (or Marc :lol: ) so 2014 on, about 3+ pages long , & sure DaveH also joined in the correct spelling Disc, as he is also British !!

This country used to be Great Britain, now I know why it ain't no more....

Program or programme, that was another one I won with my two directors & one associate, Program for computer (or Komputer #-o ) & programme for when at a event which shows the time table when different things are on :mrgreen:
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by sweh » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:19 pm

Elminster wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:27 pm
I will use both programme and program in the same doc, just in a different context. I.e. a programme of work, or a computer program. You will find in the UK even lots people in IT (not me) with say AZ or DMZ and pronounce the Zed as Zee. A losing battle I am afraid.
I moved to America in 2001 and slowly, over the years, switched from DMZed to DMZee. Funnily, around 2005, I was in a pub in London with a friend from Florida who had spent the past decade working in Greece. I noticed, in our pub chat, that I was using DMZee and he was using DMZed :-)

Prior to that, in the early 90s, I was really really confused by Adaptec EZ-SCSI. "E Zed SCSI"? Huh. But I was in Florida (with the same friend) in 1993 and he was driving and mentioned something like "good thing I brought the easy pass for the toll" and then I noticed "EZPass" signs on the road.

And I became enlightened.
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Elminster » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:18 pm

sweh wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:19 pm
I moved to America in 2001 and slowly, over the years, switched from DMZed to DMZee. Funnily, around 2005, I was in a pub in London with a friend from Florida who had spent the past decade working in Greece. I noticed, in our pub chat, that I was using DMZee and he was using DMZed :-)
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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by scruss » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:50 pm

In the late 1980s during my ill-advised writing-for-computer-magazines phase, I proposed that the correct spelling should be disq.

This had the advantage of:
  1. as a new coining, not colliding with a word with an existing meaning
  2. being definitively wrong. Nobody — not even me — was attached to this spelling.
Needless to say, it sank without trace.

I even resisted the temptation to add it to the Collins Dictionaries word database when I worked there. Citing one's own work was considered bad form.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Diminished » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:16 am

It is clearly dysc.

C.f. byte.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by scruss » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:38 am

no, that would be a box of disqs

also, why wouldn't it be dysce?

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by daveejhitchins » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:06 am

As I've I've been mentioned, thanks Col :D , Disc for me, Darn-it, we're British!

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by 1024MAK » Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:09 am

daveejhitchins wrote:
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As I've I've been mentioned, thank Col :D , Disc for me, Darn-it, we're British!
Actually, you could argue that we are either English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish, not “British”. Although you could continue to pick hairs, as we have so been invaded so many times, that we are more European than pure ‘British’...
Great Britain is a geographical term for the mainland island that forms the largest land mass of the country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain is not a country. And the “great” in the name does not mean that it is wonderful. Rather the “great” is a reference to mean the largest island in the area, and to help distinguish it from the area of Europe that we now call Brittany.

Oh, and some sources say that originally the English spelled it disk anyway, and this was long before computers were invented. As usual, the Americans pinch our old spelling and then spread it around the world, including back to us :lol:
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Goodness . . . . If Daniels eyes were bleeding before . . . . :shock: :lol:

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

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1024MAK wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:09 am
daveejhitchins wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:06 am
As I've I've been mentioned, thank Col :D , Disc for me, Darn-it, we're British!
Actually, you could argue that we are either English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish, not “British”. Although you could continue to pick hairs, as we have so been invaded so many times, that we are more European than pure ‘British’...
Great Britain is a geographical term for the mainland island that forms the largest land mass of the country of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain is not a country. And the “great” in the name does not mean that it is wonderful. Rather the “great” is a reference to mean the largest island in the area, and to help distinguish it from the area of Europe that we now call Brittany.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by danielj » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:05 am

Pfft.

Disquette. Naturellement.

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Re: Disc or Disk. Silly-Season debate.

Post by Rich Talbot-Watkins » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:44 am

The 8271 datasheet calls them "mini-diskettes". "Standard" diskette refers to the old 8" ones!

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