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Re: Which games from other platforms did you wish was on the BBC?

Post by sbadger » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:01 pm

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When I was teaching at Camp Beaumont we they had two suites of BBC Masters and two suites of Commodore 64s. The C64s seemed to be used mostly for games, the Masters for programming, office applications, and art.

However, there was one game on the C64s that I particulary noticed, and ever since have tried and failed to remember or find out what it was called. It was a multi-screen plan-view moving character thing (think Atic Atac) where you were some sort of tortoise-like reptile searching through caves for (I think) food and your eggs and hatchlings.

I wish I could remember what it was called.

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Post by rmbrowngr » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:10 pm

Would have like to have seen a version of Civilisation. I still play from time to time the original DOS version with Dosbox and D-Fend Reloaded.
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sirbod wrote:
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Well there was "Virus" on the Spectrum so... maybe not that far-fetched...

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Post by AndyF » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:21 pm

Some of the Freescape games (Driller / Total Elclipse from Incentive) would possibly work reasonably well on the 'Beeb.

Saboteur (Durell Software) may also of been one that should of possibly been 'dragged over'

Loads of simpler platform games too like Frankenstein (PSS Software) or BombJack (Elite) too.

Not sure what else to suggest :D , Wheelie (Microsphere) would be quite good and it seems half plausible to do this as it does not appear to be a mass CPU straining scrolly either.

Moving on from that isometric games like Sweevo and Hydrofool (Gargoyle/FTL) amongst others given KnightLore ported over so so well to the 'Beeb , these two would likely be the same.
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Post by Pernod » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:25 pm

AndyF wrote:
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Saboteur (Durell Software) may also of been one that should of possibly been 'dragged over'
I would've hoped for some of their earlier releases, Harrier Attack and Scuba Dive. I have a feeling one of them was briefly advertised but nothing came of it.
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Loads of simpler platform games too like Frankenstein (PSS Software) or BombJack (Elite) too.
Both Bomb Jack and Ghosts and Goblins were briefly advertised, again nothing ever materialised.
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Post by Commie_User » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:36 pm

Maybe perhaps this....

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Not because I think it looks any good but it would have put Benny back where he once belonged - the BBC.

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Post by AndyF » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:56 pm

Pernod wrote:
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I would've hoped for some of their earlier releases, Harrier Attack and Scuba Dive. I have a feeling one of them was briefly advertised but nothing came of it.
They are both quite good games although I'm terrible at them. I wrote a cheat for Scuba actually allowing you to pass through the rocks/background! :lol: More useful than it sounds. Harrier Attack I first saw on the Amstrad if I remember correctly. I do now own the ZX version of said game too.

Good suggestions though and excellent candidates. =D> I thought about Critical Mass as I recall enjoying playing that 'back then' but when I revisited it a few months ago I found it lacked gameplay. Sigma7 would be another candidate (possibly M128 though so you could get it all in, in one go maybe) but its a bit boring I found, nice enough game (credit to the coder, I could never ever write anything like that) just a bit boring. Thanatos might of worked though but again I found 'not a lot to actually do' with it. I thought about Turbo Esprit as well as that was popular.
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Both Bomb Jack and Ghosts and Goblins were briefly advertised, again nothing ever materialised.
Bomb Jack would of been not *that* difficult to do I think, all things considered. G+G I guess so or Ghouls/Ghosts perhaps. I only say that as I saw someone had managed to port SkoolDaze from the Speccy to the Oric a while back (so that's Z80 to 6502) , I think there's also a third party Amstrad version of that as well. I don't think that game would work too well on the 'Beeb though unless it was in mono due to the resolution concerns, either that or four colours maybe.

I really must grab a copy or three of some mid 80's Micro User or similar I used to buy it occasionally back then despite said machines being well out of my price range and my age at the time did not help either! It is quite nice to look back though at the old adverts too I think as well as read up on relevant articles.

I briefly considered some MikroGen titles, the Wally Week series would maybe of worked albeit in less colours perhaps. Mind you their Amstrad versions are a bit erm 'blocky' but play nicely enough.
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Post by RobC » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:22 pm

AndyF wrote:
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Bomb Jack would of been not *that* difficult to do I think, all things considered.
My port is pretty much complete in terms of levels and graphics but I've still not ported all of the enemy logic. I did revisit it a few weeks ago and go the robots appearing when they should. It was definitely doable though - I cheat by loading the background from disk on each level but it could have run from tape using fewer colours (or even some vdu streams to draw simpler backgrounds).
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G+G I guess so or Ghouls/Ghosts perhaps. I only say that as I saw someone had managed to port SkoolDaze from the Speccy to the Oric a while back (so that's Z80 to 6502) , I think there's also a third party Amstrad version of that as well. I don't think that game would work too well on the 'Beeb though unless it was in mono due to the resolution concerns, either that or four colours maybe.
I'd love to see Ghosts & Goblins on the Beeb. The Amstrad version is okay and the Beeb has pretty similar graphics capabilities (except for a more limited palette). Looks like the Amstrad does the equivalent of mode 2 with 4 colours background and 3 colours + mask foreground for EOR sprites.

The Amstrad version of SkoolDaze is in the equivalent of mode 1 with monochrome for the main display. It doesn't look too bad but not as good as the original or Oric version. Maybe the Oric logic and Amstrad graphics could be cobbled together to make a Beeb version?

I think some of the Atari 800 ports of Spectrum games work by using an interpreter/recompiler to convert the Z80 code to 6502. Something similar for the Beeb might make porting games easier.

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Post by chinnyhill10 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:12 pm

Which game do I wish was on the BBC?

Well the Atari 8 bit has just had a superb port of Stunt Car Racer. As a Geoff Crammond game it seems to me that if the A8 guys have the raw 6502, wouldn't it be lovely to get Stunt Car Racer onto the Master?

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Post by chinnyhill10 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:15 pm

RobC wrote:
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I think some of the Atari 800 ports of Spectrum games work by using an interpreter/recompiler to convert the Z80 code to 6502. Something similar for the Beeb might make porting games easier.
Be warned, this is how games like Feud run on the Atari 8 bit. They run like crap.

Whereas, say, something like Head Over Heels had a proper line by line translation from Z80 to 6502 and then to 68000. The oddity of Head Over Heels is the guys who did the 68000 didn't know Z80 but did know 6502, so they used that. Hence why the 6502 and 68000 versions share some quirks.

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Post by RobC » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:33 am

chinnyhill10 wrote:
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Be warned, this is how games like Feud run on the Atari 8 bit. They run like crap.

Whereas, say, something like Head Over Heels had a proper line by line translation from Z80 to 6502 and then to 68000. The oddity of Head Over Heels is the guys who did the 68000 didn't know Z80 but did know 6502, so they used that. Hence why the 6502 and 68000 versions share some quirks.
Thanks - I think the only ones I've seen are Pentagram and Gunfright and they seem okay.

Of course, you can always use a 300MHz 6502 co-pro on the Beeb which should sort out any performance and memory issues!

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Post by AndyF » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:24 pm

'Worse Things Happen At Sea' (Spectrum) is quite original and would likely suit the 'B very well all in all

Booty (Spectrum/Amstrad/CBM) is another candidate that is a fun game that would also likely work well.
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Post by marcusjambler » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:37 pm

I'd like to see quartet, xybots, gauntlet and alien syndrome [-o< [-o<
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Post by fwibbler » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:21 pm

Always wanted to See a port of Quazatron by Hewson.
It was an isometric port of Paradroid for the ZX Spectrum.

That and Arcade Game Designer by Argus Pres Software (also ZX Spectrum)

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Post by AndyF » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:00 pm

Kokotoni Wilf would of made (in theory at least) a relatively easy port over and the game is highly suitable I think to our platform too. Reasonable take on a 'platform' type game with a good background story (kind of) to explain the variety of levels, set in different time periods.

Attaching a combi pic I just made of said game. Left to right: Amstrad / Spectrum / Commodore
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Post by Commie_User » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:27 pm

I'd like to see them even attempt an ATTACK OF THE MUTANT CAMELS clone, seen the Atari.

We didn't even get it looking this cool on the C64: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqeONHBdE1o

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Commie_User wrote:
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I'd like to see them even attempt an ATTACK OF THE MUTANT CAMELS clone, seen the Atari.

We didn't even get it looking this cool on the C64: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqeONHBdE1o
You know, I've just watched that video, and I can't help feeling that if you had a VideoNULA, implementing that game would be... not easy, but certainly not impossible!

(NOT that I am volunteering to do so... but it's certainly do-able!)

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Post by Commie_User » Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:23 pm

Well certainly a stock BBC couldn't match those raster effects. Though I daresay the more conservative 64 edition could be contemplated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRmgQIRcCXE

Though I always found it interesting that the game was an amended clone of Star Wars for the Atari 2600 (or Return of the Jedi or whatever it was). I always wanted to play that one but I had it all along. I still have my AMC cassette somewhere.

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Post by AndyF » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:34 pm

Harrier Attack (Durell) would of been half decent on our platform here, relatively simple game too all in all.
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Post by RobC » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:16 pm

VectorEyes wrote:
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=You know, I've just watched that video, and I can't help feeling that if you had a VideoNULA, implementing that game would be... not easy, but certainly not impossible!

(NOT that I am volunteering to do so... but it's certainly do-able!)
I'd agree. The scrolling would be simple and the colours effects would just be a matter of using interrupts to do palette switches.

Even the mode change for the status area is simpler with VideoNuLA as you can just put it in logical palette mode and then you don't need to bother with the expensive business of redefining the standard palette.

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Post by KenLowe » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:28 pm

Zork, and other Infocom adventures. It always annoyed me that these were available for the Apple IIe but not the Beeb.
Money Island and Lost Vikings, although these might be a bit more modern than the Beeb was ever capable of.

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Post by tricky » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:35 am

There may be a demo soon (not by me) that might show how attack of the mutant camels could be done on a stock beeb.
In the mean time, have a look at richtw's unfinished game https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBvrDZlzEOE if you like 50hz parallax scrolling with a raster bar look - no extra hardware required.

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Post by Commie_User » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:54 pm

As we said in education, that ain't not bad !! :)

I'm not sure it will be finished if that demo was 2011. Nice to see the BBC put through some sweet graphical paces again.

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Post by Commie_User » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:58 pm

Nice Amigary flavour, taking another look. Oh to go back in time with a copy and post it in to one of those game making competitions. (The actual author of course. I sometimes feel I'm stumped beyond 10 CLS nowadays.)

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Post by lurkio » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:25 pm

Rich Talbot-Watkins wrote:
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tricky wrote:
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have a look at richtw's unfinished game https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBvrDZlzEOE
Wow! I don’t think I’d seen that before. Rich, it’ll be such a shame if you don’t finish that game!

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Post by tricky » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:21 pm

I hope rich doesn't mind me mentioning blurp, unfinished on both beeb and Archie!

He has a huge talent and I wouldn't have made the games I have without his help and inspiration.
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Post by Rich Talbot-Watkins » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:44 am

Oh... you guyz...

Thanks for the kind comments! I actually may have some time to pick up some old Beeb stuff soon. But I know I'm terrible for abandoning projects and letting them rot once the interesting stuff is done.

The Blurp video you linked to was the first demo with smooth scrolling, which unfortunately wouldn't have allowed for much action while still running at 50fps. It'd still be nice to pick up a project along these lines as the scrolling is lovely, but it'd need to be a different sort of game with far fewer sprites on-screen than Blurp.

Here is the trailer for the rebooted version of Blurp which was nearly finished, but ultimately suffered from being impossible to play unless you were me! I could never really fathom a good solution to that because the problem was that it just goes too fast (mostly due to limitations of the scrolling coarseness, and not wanting to run at 10fps to compensate!). Perhaps worth revisiting with fresh eyes, now that I've forgotten how to play it!
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Post by RobC » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:02 am

KenLowe wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:28 pm
Zork, and other Infocom adventures. It always annoyed me that these were available for the Apple IIe but not the Beeb.
Maybe we could look at porting Frotz to the Pi co-pro...

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Post by KenLowe » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:51 pm

RobC wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:02 am
Maybe we could look at porting Frotz to the Pi co-pro...
That would be awesome, but possibly a bit unnecessary. It is actually possible to get it running on a Z80 co-pro:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6727&hilit=Zork+z80 ... 60#p107157

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