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Uggies Garden - Superior /Acornsoft -Tape Original

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Uggies Garden - Superior / Acornsoft - Tape UEFhq

Received the copy from DaveE 8) , as DaveM lost the original after it was copied... [-X
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works on BeebEm414 but not bEm22 :? & GOTO60 after err...

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Seems this uef is not 100% I see a lot of non standard block in-between not sure if you have the original wav file but the conversion to uef is not good.
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What version of beebEm414 you using??
works perfect on my windows10 lappy & winXP desktop
if it did not work, would not of uploaded it :roll:
Yes still got the WAV I made, but useless & does not load to real beeb...
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I though that as well but though I would mention that it did not work and am using BeebEm ver.4.14 Feb 2012.
Am also runnig it on Windows 10, have just tried it on my laptop with the same result.
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how the hell do you think I got the loader screen up in first post...... :lol:
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I am as confused as you are as to why it does not work.
This is what I get on a cat :-
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Works for me in BeebEm but only if I set the tape speed to "Fast".
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Ahhhh did not try that as I only ever have mine on normal and change the cpu speed to speed up loading..... will give it a go.
Yip then it work if you have tape speed set to fast. Thanks for the tip.
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vanekp wrote:Yip then it work if you have tape speed set to fast. Thanks for the tip.
& thank you, think this tape has now opened up another can of worms with tape reading on BeebEm414.....
as, usually, bEm22 will read them much better, so this has thrown my thinking out the window.

so, if it can't read it at Normal tape speed, but with Fast, it's usually the other way about :-k
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Yes there are some funnies in BeeEm for example :- when it comes to tapes, if you create a .uef tape in BeebEm you can't read it in B-Em :wink:
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the CSW or the WAV did not read into the beta Alpha bEm22, which I also tried as was having alot of bother trying to get archived.

but, least no more of this :
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LOL
O I noticed that you are missing Scr11, on the disc version that I have it does have a Scr11.
If you don't process the wav file correctly you can have a lot of problem converting it into a usable csw and/or uef file.
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vanekp wrote:O I noticed that you are missing Scr11, on the disc version that I have it does have a Scr11.
just checked .WAV to beeb, and Scr11 does not exist on the tape at all, ie Straight from 10 then 12.
I don't know history of this original tape at all, or could be like the disc, unreleased, DaveM/E can verify :?
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nothing wrong with my .WAV, I don't have a £3k program for nothing you know, to generate vinyl that gets pressed =;
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okay just still find it odd that Beeb-Em will not read it at standard speed.
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you & me both,
if I had emulator at Normal tape speed, would be pulling my grey side hair out by now, & no UEF :|
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Ah, I may be able to explain this...

So, back in the day when I was collecting Acorn Electron stuff, and there was no real internet, and EUG was a post-only magazine that I would duplicate and send by snail mail blah blah...

I got the unreleased tape of Uggie's Garden and I thought hey up this looks to be pretty rare, I'd better copy it.

BUT...

I didn't do tape-to-tape.

I used a utility called Turbocon for the Acorn Electron. This loads in a file and saves it in a "turboed" format.

I used to have cassettes called 'Turbocomps' with all the games in my collection - they would load in about 50% of the time.

Hence, this is what I did with the Uggie's Garden tape - loaded it into Turbocon and saved it to the blank cassette. I recall sending Dave M the original about 10 years later but it was somehow misplaced.

Fast-forward another 20 years and I was looking for a cassette to send Castaway to Col and I just picked up one of the old C90s which I have no real use for now I do all my gaming via emulation. I copied Castaway to Side A, overwriting what was on there already. I noticed Uggie's Garden was on Side B so I said "Hey, Col, you could also preserve Uggie's Garden as well if you want."

So that's probably why it's "non-standard".
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and Uggies Garden is missing the Scr11 file, if you type the password METRES it goes and searches for Scr11 which is not on the tape.
Here is a recreated UEF which also works on B-em and BeebEm (at normal tape speed :wink: ) and has the screen 11 included.

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Looking at the UEF here, it appears that this is a modified version of the disc version. The disc edition was originally submitted to Superior and was held by them for potential inclusion in a PIAS compilation that unfortunately never happened. My understanding is that this was then passed to ProAction and released by them (although Superior technically did not have the rights to do this!).

It looks as if at some point someone has added a pre-loader which modifies the menu page to strip out the "3" keypress for instructions after it has been loaded but otherwise behaves much as the disc version.

The genuine tape version had a few important differences from the disc edition:
  • It was loaded via several smaller files rather than just a memory dump as per the disc version.
  • The title screen was loaded via a simple run length encoded block mechanism to speed loading and display on screen as it loaded
  • Most importantly the memory space between &E00 - &1900 was used to keep a copy of the current level in memory so it did not need to be re-loaded every time the level was re-started. The disc (and this modified UEF version) loads the level every time it is started which is a real pain for tape users!
Unfortunately the full tape version is lost to history - if I can ever find one I'll make sure it is encoded and posted!
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does anyone have the proper tape version available then, cant say I have ever come across it to date.
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The game never got a tape release as far as I know.
http://bbcmicro.co.uk/game.php?id=1814

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I only ever sent the disc version to Superior for evaluation, the response was that they were interested and would keep it on file for a potential future PIAS release.

This never went any further (it was right at the end of commercial BBC software releases) so the tape version was never sent over.

It was only several decades later that I found out the disc version had been released by Proaction.

So whilst the tape version did exist (it was developed on an Electron with only tape storage!) this is now long lost...
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As a little bit of history, see attached the original letter from Superior Software back in 1990!
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Webbo wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:57 pm
As a little bit of history, see attached the original letter from Superior Software back in 1990!
Thank you for this and for telling us about the, er, "unorthodox" route to publication!

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