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23 Beebs available...

Post by hoglet » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:41 pm

This was posted on the bbc-micro list

Maybe someone here would be interested?

http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/pipermail/bbc ... 11445.html
What is now important, however, is the destiny of 23 BBC model B machines
which have been sitting on top of a cabinet in my dining room for about
twenty years, which I have now decided must now go to a good home. These
machines have all had a very hard life. All are mostly complete but many
of the cases are yellowed and most are branded with the college details
and postcode etc. Some are known to be unserviceable whilst others could
be brought back to life with little effort. One machine has a totally
rusty mainboard where it must have been at the bottom of the pile in the
storeroom and there must have been a leaky pipe at one point. Some have
no screws where they were obviously used as parts donors in the past.
All power supplies are present and I think that just one has a missing
keyboard.

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Post by daveejhitchins » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:30 pm

Wow, this may need the coming together of a rescue party :?:

Maybe a collection and distribution of said machines, gradual repair to full glory :D

I have relatives in and near Kent so could possibly arrange the collection, but couldn't handle all those repairs :shock:

Any ideas ?

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Post by tubbyasstoo » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:11 pm

don't think he is giving them away

more like looking for a worthy museum or something

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Post by aerworuld » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:21 pm

i would be willing to contribute a few quid towards the logistics of their restoration if they were put to a good use?

(afraid that would literally only be a few quid, but maybe we could get a fund together?)

would be a terrible shame to see these scrapped :(

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Post by daveejhitchins » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:56 am

tubbyasstoo wrote:don't think he is giving them away - more like looking for a worthy museum or something
Don't think a museum would 'fix' them!
aerworuld wrote:i would be willing to contribute a few quid towards the logistics of their restoration if they were put to a good use? - but maybe we could get a fund together?
Count me in for that :D
would be a terrible shame to see these scrapped :(
Here, here

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Post by aerworuld » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:41 am

A musuem would be a most excellent and worthy fate for these machines and they would continue with an active life or be used as spares for other machines there I'm sure, but if none come forward and there's a chance these machines are lost I'm sure there are enough folks on here who would be able to make use of these machines to ensure their survival amongst 8-bit posterity? :)

Perhaps we should contact the chap and see if he would be agreeable?

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Post by tautology » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:22 am

I too would be willing to contribute to save them all from a death most foul...

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Post by 1024MAK » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:41 am

He does say that he is capable of fixing some of them. And that he may sell some of the fixed ones on eBay (see the link in the first post).

:arrow: However, it sounds like he wants them to become useful again, so may well be worth contacting him to see if he would be happy for a StarDot forum member to buy some (if not all) on behalf of other interested forum members.

Kent is the other side of the country from me (over 3 hours away), and I'm not sure that I could fit 23 Beeb's in my car...

But I am happy to help where I can :D

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Post by aerworuld » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:52 am

Dave H :D said he might be able to arrange collection as he has relatives close to there but if it's too much for a car I would be happy to collect in my van if folks could help me out with diesel money? (it's a bit of a trek from Hampshire but the offer is there!)

*edit* actually i just googled it and its only about 75 miles from me so not as bad as i thought!

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Post by nOmArch » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:57 am

Put me down for a contribution as well, can't very well leave them to rot!
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Back up to 1 Beeb again. \o/

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Post by CMcDougall » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:41 pm

Put me down for a contribution aswell :)

I can't see much to fix them, unless someone dropped them down the stairs!

The only thing that happened to my beeb BITD, was the original Acorn DFS2.24 rom erased itself :| and the return key broke playing Yi-ar kung fu #-o

But can anyone be good enough to put them in bubble wrap and post them to there new loving homes [-o<
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Post by leenew » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:20 pm

Yep, count me in.
I will contribute to them being saved, and help where I can in the cleaning / restoration of them.

Maybe the ones that can't be saved could be used as a 'pool' of spares to keep others alive?

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Post by aerworuld » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:22 pm

Ok, well here's a thought; my work is a little slower at this time of year and I have a van, so how about I send an email over to the chap and see how much he would like for the Beebs as they would be put to good use in the forum? If he's happy for us to have them I could go and collect, then post the Beebs out to folks who want one (though p&p might need to be upfront - pennies a bit tight at the moment ;) )

Does anybody have any objections to me emailing and we'll go from there?

Stuart :)

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Post by daveejhitchins » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:31 pm

Sounds good to me Stuart :D

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Post by leenew » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:44 pm

Yeah, go for it Stuart,
There's nothing to lose really, and we won't know unless SOMEONE contacts him....
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Post by 1024MAK » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:10 pm

Sounds like a plan... :mrgreen:

Go for it!

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Post by martinw » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:49 pm

aerworuld wrote: Does anybody have any objections to me emailing and we'll go from there?
Stuart :)
I'm in =D>

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Post by peterj » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:18 pm

Hi Stuart.

Great idea go for it.

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Post by CanonMan » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:14 pm

Go for it, Stuart!

I may be interested in a couple of them myself.

You can never have too many Beebs :lol:

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Post by nOmArch » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:05 pm

Yep +1 from me as well.
Alex

Back up to 1 Beeb again. \o/

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Post by aerworuld » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:24 pm

So friends, an email is winging its way over; will post here if I hear back!

Stuart :)

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Post by tautology » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:28 pm

+1 from me.

I can possibly help with the collection and distribution. One of my work jobs in the first week of the new year will most likely have me practically drive through Dartford, and I've got a quite big estate car, so can help with distribution to any Midlands or more northern people.

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Post by aerworuld » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:41 am

tautology wrote:
I can possibly help with the collection and distribution. One of my work jobs in the first week of the new year will most likely have me practically drive through Dartford, and I've got a quite big estate car, so can help with distribution to any Midlands or more northern people.
Nice one!

I realise it might be jumping the gun a little, but I've taken the liberty of starting a list of folks who have expressed an interest in a machine and listed a location, so we can figure out which Beebs might be able to be delivered in this way and how many are left for collection and postage by me.

(Although i'm quite happy to post them all if timings don't work out right, this seems like a sensible way to progress if it can be done)

Dave H - Newton Aycliffe
Mark (1024MAK) - Somerset
Alex (nOmArch) - Gloucestershire
Colin (CMcDougall) - Shadow in a Valley of Scotland .....might need to get the A Team to deliver to you mate :)
Lee (leenew) - Doncaster
Martin W - Aberdeenshire
CanonMan - Cheshire
TheCorfiot - South Wales
dp11 - Cambridge
Dave (stevendt) - Aberdeen
iainjh - High Wycombe
tautology - Leicester
Tubbyasstoo - Hook
Adrian (Haqa) - Sandhurst
Bagpuss - East Sussex

List is fluid; plenty of time for more names ;) will keep it *edited*
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Post by TheCorfiot » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:00 am

I would be very interested in restoring a couple of machines.

I am based in south wales

Merry Christmas all :)

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Post by daveejhitchins » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:24 am

On the subject of restoration . . . Has anyone tried a 'case' in the dishwasher? The well-priced Electron I picked-up on Friday evening needs a really good clean (must have smoked Capstan Full Strength :lol: ). I actually thought of putting the whole machine in there when I first saw it . . . then my sensible head took over (haven't seen him in a while :D ) and decided to wait . . . The key tops are defiantly going in, regardless !

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Post by tautology » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:26 am

I'm based in Leicester, near Arcadian and paulv (so if they want in I can play delivery boy).

In terms of keyboard cleaning, I do the keycaps and plastic by hand, basically chuck them in a tub of warm soapy water and wipe each key clean. I think my missus would have a fit if I put the cases in the dishwasher.

Out of all the keyboards I've cleaned (including a rubber key Spectrum), the most convoluted has been one from an Archimedes. I can see why Acorn had problems making profits with the amount of engineering that just went into the keyboard!

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Post by dp11 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:28 am

more than happy to fix a few beebs, I'm on the edge of Cambridge.

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Post by 1024MAK » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:57 am

For cleaning ABS plastic cases I use warm soapy water and an old nail brush. For stubborn marks put some soap on the nail brush and scrub!

The foam cleaner that comes in spray cans (Anti-static foam cleaner,400ml aerosol - RS 132-526) is also good for cleaning (useful when you don't want to take the item apart for a wet wash... :mrgreen: )

But sometimes none of the above removes all stains and marks. Then I use a solvent cleaner. The type I use does not damage the plastic (but as they normally say "test a hidden area first"...) but may affect any screen printing. It is available (but pricey) from RS (Fast dry solvent cleaner, 400ml aerosol - RS 180-803). I have a couple of cans left over from work, but work have discontinued stocking it :evil:

I'm sure that other suppliers will have equivalent products.

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Post by leenew » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:18 pm

+1 on MAK's methods.
The only thing I do differently is the last stage where I use Isopropyl alcohol for stubborn stains. BE CAREFUL though as this CAN damage some plastics.
I tend to have 2 cloths handy, and using the karate kid method..... wipe on.... wipe off :lol:
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Post by leenew » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:16 pm

Oh, and Dave H. :D .... obviously no amount of scrubbing will remove yellowing that is caused by the ABS plastic itself going yellow. This can only be cured by retr0bright.
Just a thought, but do we need a retr0bright thread??
How to use it, best successes, and piccies??
I have had some brilliant success with Commodore (boo!) and Acorn (Yay!) products :D but deleted most of the before / after pics :(

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