Best SD card disk drive for the beeb

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Best SD card disk drive for the beeb

Post by blackwitch » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:30 pm

Hi all.

I'm asking a lot of questions I know. lol

Could anyone tell me the best system to load games and save programs on the Beeb?

Thanks
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Re: Best SD card disk drive for the beeb

Post by 1024MAK » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:49 pm

Define ‘best’.

Cheapest
Easiest
Fastest
Most compatible
Most recent
DIY
Built unit
Most user friendly

Do you want it just to play games.
Or do you want something that is more flexible? For example being able to save files to it as if it is a floppy disk?

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Post by rmbrowngr » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:01 pm

If you want hard disk storage on a SD card then BeebSCSI is great https://www.domesday86.com/?page_id=689. The only downside is the use of ADFS (file system) with higher PAGE (you lose some memory). And I would recommend the use of ADFS Explorer https://www.g7jjf.com/adfs_explorer.htm for managing the contents of the SD card on your PC.

If you want something cheap then go for something like a MICRO-SPI MMC \ Turbo MMC. https://github.com/hoglet67/MMFS/wiki There are people on this forum who sell these. On eBay I know of RetroClinic and ctorwy31 sell devices. These store disk images (DFS) in a big file "mmb" which there is software to manage the content. There are populated mmb's with software available on this forum.

An alternative to the above items is GoSDC http://www.zeridajh.org/hardware/gosdc/index.htm. Comes with software for managing the contents of the SD card, plenty of documentation (even if a bit difficult to read for the inexperienced). Fitting is internal to the Beeb so don't screw the lid down on your Beeb if you regularly extract the SD card.

If your Beeb has a disk controller available I would seriously consider getting hold of a Gotek (floppy drive emulator). You can put loads of disk images on your USB flash drive. I find it's the most convenient way of having mass storage with flexibility and easy of use. I know there are customised Goteks setup for Beebs and Electrons available on eBay. I got mine from Retroclinic.
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Re: Best SD card disk drive for the beeb

Post by mr-macrisc » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:03 pm

rmbrowngr wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:01 pm
If you want hard disk storage on a SD card then BeebSCSI is great https://www.domesday86.com/?page_id=689. The only downside is the use of ADFS (file system) with higher PAGE (you lose some memory). And I would recommend the use of ADFS Explorer https://www.g7jjf.com/adfs_explorer.htm for managing the contents of the SD card on your PC.

If you want something cheap then go for something like a MICRO-SPI MMC \ Turbo MMC. https://github.com/hoglet67/MMFS/wiki There are people on this forum who sell these. On eBay I know of RetroClinic and ctorwy31 sell devices. These store disk images (DFS) in a big file "mmb" which there is software to manage the content. There are populated mmb's with software available on this forum.

An alternative to the above items is GoSDC http://www.zeridajh.org/hardware/gosdc/index.htm. Comes with software for managing the contents of the SD card, plenty of documentation (even if a bit difficult to read for the inexperienced). Fitting is internal to the Beeb so don't screw the lid down on your Beeb if you regularly extract the SD card.
On master I belive page stays at e00 for adfs so beeb scsi for example.

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Post by danielj » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:05 pm

You're missing the most flexible, compatible and one of the cheapest (if you DIY) - the gotek with flashfloppy firmware.

https://github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy/wiki

ADFS does stay at E00 on the master, but frankly it's not much cop for playing games as pretty much everything is designed to run from DFS...

d.

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Post by rmbrowngr » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:12 pm

danielj wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:05 pm
You're missing the most flexible, compatible and one of the cheapest (if you DIY) - the gotek with flashfloppy firmware.

https://github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy/wiki

ADFS does stay at E00 on the master, but frankly it's not much cop for playing games as pretty much everything is designed to run from DFS...

d.
Just added it :D

BTW, what happens with page on a B+ with ADFS? I have't checked is out yet.
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Post by flaxcottage » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:57 pm

B+ PAGE rises to &2100 I believe. At least mine does. :(
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Post by danielj » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:21 pm

B+ Doesn't have the HAZEL RAM that the Master uses for filing systems...

d.

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Post by johnkenyon » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:11 pm

danielj wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:21 pm
B+ Doesn't have the HAZEL RAM that the Master uses for filing systems...

d.
See: http://beebwiki.mdfs.net/ANDY

There's a job there for someone who wants to rewrite/extend the B+ MOS to support service calls &21, &22, &24, and supports HAZEL for calls &0F, and possibly &12.

Then they'd have to tweak the Master ADFS and/or DFS code to use 6512 opcodes, and deal with using a workspace area that overlaps with the sideways ROM area instead of living side by side at &C000. (e.g. keep the workspace access code in the lower whatever K of the ROM, and duplicate it into the workspace so you have code+data side by side in the 12k).

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Re: Best SD card disk drive for the beeb

Post by RobC » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:10 pm

rmbrowngr wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:12 pm
BTW, what happens with page on a B+ with ADFS? I have't checked is out yet.
You can get something like this and load DFSE00 and ADFSE00 into it.
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