Educational Archive not in STH

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by OneSwitch » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:59 pm

flaxcottage wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:12 am
OneSwitch wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:24 pm
@Flaxcottage - are you planning to upload the Brilliant Computing and other Special Needs educational stuff too?
Yes it is on my list.

I do take requests but I cannot guarantee I'll honour them in a reasonable time frame. :? :lol:
:) Good man. Fair enough.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by OneSwitch » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:01 pm

OneSwitch wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:24 pm
Really like that Tent game @Kenelm, thanks for sharing. I'd be interested in the others too.


I've now realised most of the others are already on here, see here and here.
Nice one. Good to preserve this stuff.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:23 pm

These are my final Longman titles.

Aural 5 - "Aural Test Preparation for grade five music examinations".
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Terrible Tales - stories about giants and monsters.
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I have found all the software I have uploaded so far to be mostly or entirely usable without printed documentation, unfortunately this isn't the case for the final titles below. I'm uploading them just in case the documentation can be found.

Micro Map 1 & 2 - all exercises require a printed map.
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Choosing Sites - somewhat usable, but confusing without the documentation. I didn't initially list this with my Longman titles. The disk label says 'MESU Software' with Longman in smaller lettering underneath. In the program itself only 'Longman Micro Software' is displayed.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by billcarr2005 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:10 am

Kenelm wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:22 am

I have managed to circumvent the protection. In all cases the protection was as you describe. flaxcottage's post here saved me a lot of time.
Except it's better to skip the redundant read entirely, rather than ignore it's result :)

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:09 pm

Today I've been looking at five discs from Cambridge Micro Software (Cambridge University Press/Homerton College). I created SSDs for these a while ago, but found they wouldn't boot. They turned out to contain copy protection in machine code !BOOT files. Most of the other files were written in BASIC and the protection does not prevent these from running. However, I did sometimes encounter crashes due to lack of memory, and so wanted to check what the boot files were doing before sharing.

My knowledge of assembly code is somewhat limited, but I like a challenge, so have spent a while working out what the disassembled !BOOT files do. For all the disks they are very similar. My understanding is that they first read sector IDs from the disk and then only proceed if the correct value is found. After this a block of data is EORed using the result of the sector ID check and the resulting code is then executed. The EORed code is BASIC and just sets PAGE before CHAINing one of the BASIC files.

To make the !BOOT files run correctly I have changed the first instructions to set memory location &81 to &AB (used for the EORing) before JMPing over the disk read and subsequent check. As I mentioned I'm far from experienced at doing this, so point out if anything appears wrong. I have tested all four programs and encountered no problems.


First up...
Granville

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The premise is that you have won a five-day holiday in the town of Granville in Normandy. You have a set amount of prize money which can be spent in shops, to buy food and drink, to visit tourist sites, and so on. The dialogue is in French and the idea is presumably to improve French language comprehension.

There are some tasks that reference printed materials that I don't have, although these don't prevent you from getting a good idea what the program is about. It is a bit repetitive, but I think an interesting idea for an educational game.

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Introduction
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by flaxcottage » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:21 pm

Thanks for that. I had heard of the title but never seen the package.

The protection sounds interesting. I have met setting &81 before in a protection method.

The only Cambridge Micro Software titles I have were all unprotected.

Did the disc(s) have the date on them?
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:43 pm

flaxcottage wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:21 pm
Did the disc(s) have the date on them?
Here's the disc -
'(c) CET 1986'
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:48 pm

Chemical Collisions
Cambridge Micro Software (Cambridge University Press/Homerton College)

Simulates collisions of particles during a chemical reaction (collision theory).

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:51 pm

Tessellations
Cambridge Micro Software (Cambridge University Press/Homerton College)

A package for drawing tessellating patterns.

There is a library disc with additional patterns. I haven't worked out how these were intended to be loaded.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by flaxcottage » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:00 am

Thanks. =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:47 pm

Lift
Cambridge Micro Software (Cambridge University Press/Homerton College)

Requires a joystick.

A small figure called Mabel can be moved up and dropped down a lift shaft. Scales below measure the force. It is possible to plot the velocity, acceleration and displacement.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:55 pm

Floater
Cambridge Micro Software (Cambridge University Press/Homerton College)

Requires a joystick.

"Displays the displacement, velocity and acceleration of a frictionless particle in a two-dimensional system."

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:54 pm

Sand Harvest
MESU Software (Centre for World Development Education/Longman)

Simulation set in the Sahel. You can assume the role of nomad, government officer or villager.

Disc write access required.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by AndyF » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:15 pm

Its very pleasing (to me at least!) to see simulations such as this see the "light of day" again, on a variety of subjects. I recall 'Millionaire' (its in the archive anyway) and the like.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by lurkio » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:04 pm

A lot of this is new to me. Amazing how much Beeb eduware there was, and how little of it is widely known or remembered!

Brilliant work, Kenelm! Thanks for preserving this software history.

=D> =D> =D>
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by billcarr2005 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:33 pm

Kenelm wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:09 pm
Today I've been looking at five discs from Cambridge Micro Software (Cambridge University Press/Homerton College). I created SSDs for these a while ago, but found they wouldn't boot. They turned out to contain copy protection in machine code !BOOT files.
flaxcottage wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:21 pm
The protection sounds interesting. I have met setting &81 before in a protection method.

The only Cambridge Micro Software titles I have were all unprotected.
Seems like it's been mentioned before, albeit briefly, in a disc that Colin supplied. As Kenelm said, the disk can easily be imaged, since it's the standard layout, just with the head value in the sector header being abnormal

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:47 pm

I'm glad the software is of interest. I've now managed to archive almost all of the 150 of so educational discs I have. In only two cases have I found the discs to be too damaged or deteriorated to recover. One of these is 'XOR for Schools', does anybody else have a copy?

There are also a small number with copy protection that has prevented me from creating working SSDs. Of these, only two appear not to have already been archived by other people. They are:
  • The Dudley Programs – Ballooning
  • The Dudley Programs – Understanding the Weather
Both are by Heinemann Computers/Fiveways Software. The type of protection used is exactly the same as described on the flaxcottage.com archive site under 'Protection'. It's defeated my attempts to crack it so far and I've reached the stage where I'd be happy for someone else to have a go.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:00 pm

Language Work in the Classroom
Capital Media, written by Anita Straker

Three of the programs here are definitely already archived (Mallory Manor, Storyline and Wordplay), but I haven't seen the others listed anywhere (Maths Talk 1, Maths Talk 2 and Master).

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by lurkio » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:22 pm

Kenelm wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:47 pm
I've now managed to archive almost all of the 150 of so educational discs I have. In only two cases have I found the discs to be too damaged or deteriorated to recover. One of these is 'XOR for Schools'...
Paging the Kryoflux Wizard... Paging the Kryoflux Wizard...
danielj wrote:
Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:37 pm
... Just for interest, here are a few screenshots from the kryoflux dump ...
:?:

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:04 pm

Pipistrelle
MESU Software/Newman College

Fly around as a pipistrelle bat. Use echolocation to identify man-made features and catch insects.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by danielj » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:28 am

Hello! Am I required for a dump?

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by billcarr2005 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:37 am

Kenelm wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:47 pm
There are also a small number with copy protection that has prevented me from creating working SSDs. Of these, only two appear not to have already been archived by other people. They are:
  • The Dudley Programs – Ballooning
  • The Dudley Programs – Understanding the Weather
Both are by Heinemann Computers/Fiveways Software. The type of protection used is exactly the same as described on the flaxcottage.com archive site under 'Protection'. It's defeated my attempts to crack it so far and I've reached the stage where I'd be happy for someone else to have a go.
I'd be happy to image / deprotect these! :)

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Post by flaxcottage » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:56 am

Kenelm wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:47 pm

[*]The Dudley Programs – Ballooning
[*]The Dudley Programs – Understanding the Weather[/list]

Both are by Heinemann Computers/Fiveways Software. The type of protection used is exactly the same as described on the flaxcottage.com archive site under 'Protection'. It's defeated my attempts to crack it so far and I've reached the stage where I'd be happy for someone else to have a go.
At the moment billcarr2005 is the expert on the Hieneman/Fiveways protection. 8)
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Post by flaxcottage » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:56 am

Thanks for all the software posted. Nearly all of it was MIA. =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:31 am

danielj wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:28 am
Hello! Am I required for a dump?
I'd be happy to send you the XOR for Schools disc if you want to try, but I'm not sure it's worth it, because the disc surface shows signs of serious damage.
billcarr2005 wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:37 am
I'd be happy to image / deprotect these! :)
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by danielj » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:03 am

Hi Ken, if it's properly toasted then I'm not going to fair any better I suspect. I'd also prefer not to put disintegrating discs in my drive :D Can you do a picture of the damage?

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by klintworth » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:40 pm

Pipistrelle manual
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BBC B Issue 4, BBC B UNB09 Issue1 (USA), Electron & A7000+

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:57 pm

danielj wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:03 am
if it's properly toasted then I'm not going to fair any better I suspect. I'd also prefer not to put disintegrating discs in my drive :D
There is a line right around the surface of the disc about 5mm from the outer edge where the surface has got scraped. When I first tried the disc the drive made a horrible grinding sound and I immediately took it out and gave it a good clean with alcohol solution and a cotton bud. I then tried again, but couldn't recover much more than the file table, and unfortunately when I took it out the scraping damage had got worse. I would be reluctant to put it in my drive again.

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Pipistrelle manual
Pipistrelle.pdf
Thanks! :D

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:17 pm

Chemistry in Action: Iron & Steel
Granada Television/GSN Educational Software

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:05 pm

Kidnap!
NCET/MESU Software

Master 128 only. Requires disc write access.

Subject: French

The premise is that your friend has been kidnapped. In the first part, you give descriptions of your friend and the kidnapper to the police. The second part is a bit confusing without access to the documentation, but as far as I can work out, you first look at possible sightings and identify the correct one from descriptions given. You then try to find your friend and the kidnapper ("le suspect") by entering the names of French towns from clues given. Finally there is a database of the towns included.

The function keys can be used to enter accented characters.

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