ROM files to SSD on Gotek USB drive

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ROM files to SSD on Gotek USB drive

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Hello All, new to the forum having just brought my Beeb back from the dead thanks to RetroClinic. I have been trying to acquire some terminal software to use on my old modem. Commstar and Micronet ROM files I have downloaded online and stored on USB for loading onto the Beeb however as you all likely know the Gotek doesn't see ROM files only SSD. Having read through earlier posts here I have tried loading the files onto the Beebem and then exporting back onto the USB which should then store them as SSD but it still didn't work, not unless I am missing something. I am a complete newbie so I d appreciate some idiot level instructions to do this. From other posts I've seen there are other methods but this one seemed like the easiest for me.
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Hi and welcome.
In the emulator, create a new .SSD then import the rom file to it.
Eject the. SSD (just to be safe).
You can load it again and *INFO *.* Just to be sure and then quit.
Copy the. SSD to the GOTEK and select the .ssd
*iNFO *." Just to be sure.
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Thanks very much. Not sure I understand exactly what you have suggested (I am a complete novice), but will have a try and get back to you.
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Sorry, these instructions are for windows.
Start beebem, I'm using 4.16.
On the menus, select: File | Disc Options | New Disc 0...
Choose where you want to save your new disc and what you want to call it. I'm using test.ssd
On the menus, select: Edit | Import Files to Disc | Disc 0...
On the drop down above [Open] [Cancel], drop it down and choose: All Files *.*
This is because it is expecting a .INF file with the extra BBC file info, but you don't need it for a ROM (and you probably don't have it ;))
Find the directory with your ROM image and select it, then press [Open].
You should get a popup dialog, saying: Files successfully imported: 1
Click [OK] to continue.
If you now do *. (short for *CAT) in the emulator, you should see a directory listing with one file.
You can do a *INFO *.* (*I.*.* for short) to see the file information, it will probably look like:
$.ROM 000000 000000 004000 002
These are the load address, run address, length and starting sector on the disc in hexadecimal.
Because you didn't have an .INF file, the load and run addresses will be 0, which doesn't matter.
The length could be 4000 16KB, 2000 8KB or is often 3FFF or 1FFF because someone has missed the last byte when saving!
Any length could be valid.
On the menus, select: File | Disc Options | Eject Disc 0: name.ssd
The name will be what you chose.
You can now copy this .SSD to the USC stick for your GOTEK.
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Thanks Tricky for that step by step walkthrough. I will attempt this this evening
and get back to you. I had attempted those steps before but the eject thing and *INFO bit are new to me.

Thanks for your time on this. It's a big help!

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Or you could just use Disc Image Manager. Instructions are here.
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Many thanks Gerald. Might be a bit beyond my skills but may give it a go.
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Tricky,

went through your steps tonight, all went fine, exactly as you said.
Ultimately, I copied the ROMS to .SSD and then onto my USB stick with the BeebEm.
Unfortunately the Gotek still wont load them onto my Beeb. Tried with 3 different ROM files and no joy.
Gotek works fine with everything else from Elite Co Pro version to even other SSD games I have downloaded
from BBC Micro Games Archive so it's not the Gotek or my Beeb.

Really frustrating to be stumped by something which seems so minor.
Would appreciate your thoughts or another Idiots' guide on another method.

Thanks again.
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What is actually going wrong? You've copied the ROM file into a .ssd file using BeebEm (or the DiscImageManager) and then copied that .ssd file to your USB stick? Then, does the SSD appear when you twiddle the knob on the front of your GoTek, or does it not? [I assume if you can get to that stage, you'll be fine, as you're loading other discs OK.]

It may be helpful if you uploaded the .ssd file here and we can see what you've done by examining what's in it.
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I've seen no mention of sideways RAM in this thread, so would help knowing how the ROMs are being loaded.
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Yes the Gotek can see the SSD file on the display. My beeb just won't load anything. I will upload the file here. Pleased to have your help on this.

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commstar.ssd
Commstar ROM file now in SSD format using BeebEm.
(8.5 KiB) Downloaded 11 times
Hope I 've managed this ok . Here is the file. As I said my Gotek displays it's presence on the USB but my Beeb wont
load it when doing a SHIFT/BREAK. It just hangs and nothing happens even although the drive appears to make the normal loading sounds.

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Shift break executes !BOOT.
ROMs most be loaded into sideways ram using a utility.
On a master, you can use *SRLOAD.
Do you have sideways RAM or some kind of eeprom board?
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I see, you can see why I needed an Idiot's guide :D

Yes RetroClinic souped it up with sideways RAM and Combi ROM as well as the CoPro.

I kinda figured I was missing something obvious.
If you can detail what I have to do it would be greatly appreciated.

RetroClinic supplied me with a ton of things on a USB ( many utilities too) so I should have something there that can perform the job.

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I don't know their devices, but you could try *HELP
Which should list what ROMs you have.
You can also do *HELP ROM-name to get a list of is commands.
If you are fast with shift and control, you can type *H.. to get it all at once.
You are looking for something like srload (sideways ram load) but I would bet that it is in the retro software docs somewhere.
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Thanks Tricky I saw an earlier thread I think which might give me a way forward. Will let you know how I get on.

Thanks for your efforts and help.
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Still getting nowhere with this after several days.
Just trying to find the write commands to get a ROM file into my machine from a Gotek USB.
I have Retroclinic sideways RAM on a Model B.

Mark H gave me some commands to try but haven't worked unfortunately.

He suggested a *SRLOAD filername 8000 11

I've attempted all sorts now from similar threads on here and still no joy.

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As above - what do you see when you type *HELP?

When you type the commands suggested, what is the result? Is there an error message?

Do you know which "slots" the sideways RAM is meant to be in?

You need to give as much detail as possible otherwise it's pretty hard to offer useful and accurate suggestions.

If you don't have anything that provides the SRLOAD command, you're stuck - you'll have to get that onto a floppy disk too alongside the ROM image.
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Hi Daniel,

Some pics here of how Beeb responds to various commands.

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if you are using the .ssd you posted here the command would be *srload commsta 8000 11
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Hi ,
I see what you are saying but i renamed the file As I was worried the name length had too many characters.

Starting to think the file is now corrupted or something.
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If you use the SSD you posted and do:

*SRLOAD COMMSTA 11 Q

... then you push Ctrl+Break (you have to do this after loading a new ROM, to get the MOS to scan the new ones). If you then do "HELP, you'll see the new ROM listed (use SHIFT to scroll the screen, if necessary).

[If you want to use the new name, use *. to check exactly what it is: names in DFS can be up to 7 characters long, perhaps with a leading directory name.]

It doesn't tell you in *HELP what to use to start it, but you do *COMMSTAR and it will run: I just tried this and it started up.
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Also, type *CAT just to reassure everyone that the file is there and what the filename is :)

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Thanks slot Mince and Daniel I am finally rollin.

Superb - thanks so much guys!
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Thanks alot Simon , it was a filename thing after all. My knowledge of DFS is needing work. Cheers
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Excellent :) Glad you're there! :D
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I'm sure it'll all come back to you as you use it more :)
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