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I remember using this before I got a ROM based word program.
Though I would fire it up so went looking for a ssd - can't find it anywhere, is this one that got away?
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As you can see it has an in depth manual to go with it :D
The plastic bag is original and has kept the disc air tight for 30 years.
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As far as I know this is MIA.

I think I have a copy somewhere waiting to be archived. However, I bet billcar2005 has a copy of the disc squirreled away somewhere. :wink:
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I was looking for a ssd as this disc is old and putting it through a drive is a bit of a gamble. If there are no ssd copies out there then I will try a sector by sector copy to my Gotek and pray.
I do have some programs I adapted that allows me to drag stuff off a floppy even if the data is rubbish in places, it's suprising how much can be recoverd, I have had sectors rejected due to a sigle byte being wrong. These damaged ones can sometines be fixed with notepad++ and a bit of intuition.
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I have a full hardware version of Mini Office. The plan is to replicate it in a cartridge :? Too many projects . . . !

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flaxcottage wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:34 pm
As far as I know this is MIA.
It's on my Database Programs collection at viewtopic.php?p=50716#p50716, don't remember whether this was the tape or disc version though.

A clean copy of the original disc would be very welcome.
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OK it looks like this disc version needs to be converted to ssd, I will have a go next week and if successful I will scan the "documentation" and zip it all together.
I will post it on this thread.
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I remember at my school we used Mini Office 2 on all our machines which rarely gets mentioned anywhere, but it seemed to me to be quite a professional piece of software (for its time)
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flaxcottage wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:34 pm
I think I have a copy somewhere waiting to be archived. However, I bet billcar2005 has a copy of the disc squirreled away somewhere. :wink:
I did indeed have it!
Two copies, but one didn't want to be read, although from the parts it did manage to read, it looks the same as the good copy

There are a few unusual tracks, namely

Code: Select all

40 Tracks
Tr.#  No.S  Sec.# Tr.ID Head# SecID IDsiz REsiz Error

01    0A    00    01    00    09    0100  0100  OK
            01    01    00    0A    0100  0100  OK
            02    01    00    0B    0100  0100  OK
            03    01    00    0C    0100  0100  OK
            04    01    00    0D    0100  0100  OK
            05    01    00    0E    0100  0100  OK
            06    01    00    0F    0100  0100  Deleted data
            07    01    00    10    0100  0100  Deleted data
            08    01    00    11    0100  0100  Deleted data
            09    01    00    12    0100  0100  Deleted data

13    10    00    13    00    00    0080  0100  OK
            01    13    00    02    0080  0080  OK
            02    13    00    03    0080  0080  OK
            03    13    00    04    0080  0080  OK
            04    13    00    05    0080  0080  OK
            05    13    00    06    0080  0080  Deleted data
            06    13    00    07    0080  0080  Deleted data
            07    13    00    08    0080  0080  Deleted data
            08    13    00    09    0080  0080  Deleted data
            09    13    00    0A    0080  0080  OK
            0A    13    00    0B    0080  0080  OK
            0B    13    00    0C    0080  0080  OK
            0C    13    00    0D    0080  0080  OK
            0D    13    00    0E    0080  0080  OK
            0E    13    00    0F    0080  0080  OK
            0F    13    00    10    0080  0080  OK

15    05    00    15    00    0F    0100  0100  OK
            01    15    00    10    0100  0100  OK
            02    15    00    11    0100  0100  OK
            03    15    00    12    0100  0100  OK
            04    15    00    13    0100  0100  OK
Some of these contain a "key" which is used to decrypt the main programs after they've been loaded directly from the disk... I'll take a look at saving them off ASAP :)
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billcarr2005 wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:27 am
flaxcottage wrote:
Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:34 pm
I think I have a copy somewhere waiting to be archived. However, I bet billcar2005 has a copy of the disc squirreled away somewhere. :wink:
I did indeed have it!
Two copies, but one didn't want to be read, although from the parts it did manage to read, it looks the same as the good copy

There are a few unusual tracks, namely

Code: Select all

40 Tracks
Tr.#  No.S  Sec.# Tr.ID Head# SecID IDsiz REsiz Error

01    0A    00    01    00    09    0100  0100  OK
            01    01    00    0A    0100  0100  OK
            02    01    00    0B    0100  0100  OK
            03    01    00    0C    0100  0100  OK
            04    01    00    0D    0100  0100  OK
            05    01    00    0E    0100  0100  OK
            06    01    00    0F    0100  0100  Deleted data
            07    01    00    10    0100  0100  Deleted data
            08    01    00    11    0100  0100  Deleted data
            09    01    00    12    0100  0100  Deleted data

13    10    00    13    00    00    0080  0100  OK
            01    13    00    02    0080  0080  OK
            02    13    00    03    0080  0080  OK
            03    13    00    04    0080  0080  OK
            04    13    00    05    0080  0080  OK
            05    13    00    06    0080  0080  Deleted data
            06    13    00    07    0080  0080  Deleted data
            07    13    00    08    0080  0080  Deleted data
            08    13    00    09    0080  0080  Deleted data
            09    13    00    0A    0080  0080  OK
            0A    13    00    0B    0080  0080  OK
            0B    13    00    0C    0080  0080  OK
            0C    13    00    0D    0080  0080  OK
            0D    13    00    0E    0080  0080  OK
            0E    13    00    0F    0080  0080  OK
            0F    13    00    10    0080  0080  OK

15    05    00    15    00    0F    0100  0100  OK
            01    15    00    10    0100  0100  OK
            02    15    00    11    0100  0100  OK
            03    15    00    12    0100  0100  OK
            04    15    00    13    0100  0100  OK
Some of these contain a "key" which is used to decrypt the main programs after they've been loaded directly from the disk... I'll take a look at saving them off ASAP :)
I don't think we have this in any of the HFE archives. Might be worth a bit of discbeast'ing so we have an accurate original protected file!


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Thanks to billcarr, HFE posted here: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=21648

And an obligatory screenshot of the title screen:
screenshot_mini_office.png
It seems to have quite a bit of copy protection. Here's beebjit's report via -log disc:protection

info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 0A 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 0B 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 0C 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 0D 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 0E 01]
info:disc:deleted sector, track 1 [01 00 0F 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 0F 01]
info:disc:deleted sector, track 1 [01 00 10 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 10 01]
info:disc:deleted sector, track 1 [01 00 11 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 11 01]
info:disc:deleted sector, track 1 [01 00 12 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 1 [01 00 12 01]
info:disc:non-standard FM sector count track 19 count 16
info:disc:sector size mismatch, track 19 [13 00 00 00] (physical size 256)
info:disc:deleted sector, track 19 [13 00 06 00]
info:disc:deleted sector, track 19 [13 00 07 00]
info:disc:deleted sector, track 19 [13 00 08 00]
info:disc:deleted sector, track 19 [13 00 09 00]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 19 [13 00 0A 00]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 19 [13 00 0B 00]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 19 [13 00 0C 00]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 19 [13 00 0D 00]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 19 [13 00 0E 00]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 19 [13 00 0F 00]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 19 [13 00 10 00]
info:disc:non-standard FM sector count track 21 count 5
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 21 [15 00 0F 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 21 [15 00 10 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 21 [15 00 11 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 21 [15 00 12 01]
info:disc:wild sector ID, track 21 [15 00 13 01]
info:disc:unformattted track 40
info:disc:disc side 0 CRC32 fingerprint CA33C62F


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Kevin Edwards was at Database, does the protection have his fingerprints over it?
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Bit of confusion with the package, here are some shots from the manual.
front.jpg
graph.jpg
spread.jpg
dbase.jpg
word.jpg
As you can see from the manual you are supposed th CHAIN the application you want, the disc tells a different story, try to list the disc and you get a message saying the disc must be booted.

Tried a sector by sector and got loads of errors
Tracks 1, 2, 21, 22, 29, 37, 38, 39 sectors 1-9 bad along with a few other sectors here and there. Fired up my trusty bit of code and managed to pull some of the bad sectors off by constanly trying to read them and tapping the disc flap, this quite often seems to get a good read from the drive as well as taking the disc out on error and putting it back in again for a retry. There were about 10 sectors I could not persuade to copy, so I grabbed the sector with its error and copied it anyway.
Although the ssd booted it crashed, this could be the copy protection mentioned earlier.
Got nothing to loose so I booted the original disc and got author and company logo scrolling up the screen continuously the only key it responds to is BREAK, so it looks like the disc is duff.

Update - had a quick rumage of the ssd I extracted with notepad++ and got some names....
MiniOffCap01.PNG
Ran the ssd in beebem and I get this scrolling up the screen continuously like the proper disc on my beeb
MiniOffCap02.PNG
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Here you are
Mini Office II.ssd
(100 KiB) Downloaded 6 times
Mini Office 2 Manual.en.pdf
(2.19 MiB) Downloaded 9 times
Mini Office 2 Manual.en.pdf
(2.19 MiB) Downloaded 9 times
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Is there any interest in variants of Mini Office / Mini Office 2?

The original disc archiving effort has now encountered variants of both where some of the DFS program files are different.


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Rfairman wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:19 pm
Here you are

Mini Office II.ssd

Mini Office 2 Manual.en.pdfMini Office 2 Manual.en.pdf
That's the sequel! :wink:
viewtopic.php?p=16984#p16984

Master compatible version here
viewtopic.php?p=28399#p28399
marcelaj1 wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:24 pm

Ran the ssd in beebem and I get this scrolling up the screen continuously like the proper disc on my beeb

MiniOffCap02.PNG
That'll be the copy protection kicking in!
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I remember most of the people who worked on Mini-Office.

Chris Price was an ex-physics teacher who left education to work at Database publications - he also wrote Micro Olympics, Red Arrows and Asteroid Miner ( Optima Software )

Chez Jeske joined later and worked on the Mini-Office products.

Pete Davidson was my Computer Studies teacher who got me summer jobs working at Database Publications - a great guy who taught me 6502 and BASIC programming on the PET.

I don't recall doing the disc protection for Mini-Office, however, there is a chance that I did and my memory has failed me. Chris Price and Chez were very technical guys and are more likely to be responsible.

Hope that helps.
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