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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by flaxcottage » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:37 am

Kenelm wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:05 pm
Kidnap!

Master 128 only. Requires disc write access.

Interestingly the accents are wrong. The Master already has French accents defined so why get them wrong? Nice find though.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by billcarr2005 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:37 pm

Kenelm wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:05 pm
Kidnap!
NCET/MESU Software

Master 128 only. Requires disc write access.
Is there any specific reason why it's Master 128 only?
Seems to run fine when i just fired it up in BeebEM with Model B selected :?

Also, =D> for the uploads!
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:04 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:37 pm
Is there any specific reason why it's Master 128 only?
Seems to run fine when i just fired it up in BeebEM with Model B selected :?
The disc label says 'Master 128' on it. When I run it on a BBC B (BeebEm) I get a 'No room' error in the 'Indications' part - for this to happen you need to have first completed the 'Kidnap!' section.
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Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:37 am
Interestingly the accents are wrong. The Master already has French accents defined so why get them wrong? Nice find though.
I also notice there doesn't seem to be any way at all to enter accents in the 'Base de Données' section, making it impossible to directly search for some of the locations.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:37 am

Here's a list of software I've got that might not have already been archived. I've only included stuff that is ready to share. I do have other discs that still require work, but they are mostly unofficial compilations, copies from tape and so on. I also have a few 4Mation and CSH titles, but these are excluded as they can't be shared.

If anything is of particular interest let me know and I'll share it first. It would also be useful to know anything that is already archived.

ATM - QED: Explanation and Proof
ATM - SLIMWAM (copy)
ATM - SLIMWAM2 (copy)
AUCBE - Ecosoft Disks 1 & 2
AUCBE - Junior Ecosoft
BBC/Newman College - Introducing Geography – Flight
BBC/Newman College - Introducing Geography – Nomad Summit
BBC/Newman College - Introducing Geography – River
BBC Publications - Mevel Statistics A & B
BP Education Service - Slick!
BP Education Service - The Paraffin File
Capital Media - Probability and Statistics Programs for the BBC Micro (2 discs)
Chalksoft - Eiffel Tower (copy)
Chalksoft - Keyboard Player
Chalksoft - Rhythm and Pitch
ESM - Copywrite
E.S.P. - Compose Play
E.S.P. - MIDI Inferface (utility disc)
Fernleaf Educational Software - Fletcher’s Castle
Garland Educational Software - GENCOD1/GENCOD2/GENCOD3
Granada Television - Pondlife (2 discs)
Longman - Nuclear Reactor Simulator (copy)
Macmillan Education - English 2
MAPE - Stylus (copy)
Mathematical Association - 132 Short Programs
Medusa / Bishop Grosseteste College - Making Connections
Medusa / Bishop Grosseteste College - Time Quest (2 discs)
Mentor Software - Hotel Excelsior
Mentor Software - Lakeland Hotel Finder [perhaps not educational, a database of hotels in the Lake District]
MEP - Problems & Investigations 1 (copy)
MESU Software - Climate Graphs
MESU Software - Front Page Extra
MESU Software/Newman Software - Front Page Special Edition (Words & Images)
MESU Software - Information Handling Pack – Branch & Sorting Game
MESU Software - Slopes
MESU Software - Stars
NCET - Locus Pack
Panthera - Pressure Mat Programs
Panthera - The Measuring Box
Philip Harris Biological - Datadisc Plus
Scientific Eye Software - Bughunt
Scientific Eye Software - Spot the Polluters
Shell Software - Measuring & Weighing
Software Production Associates - Muddles
Tressell Software - Into the Unknown

I also have:
Ginn - Supergap
The disc is a copy. It won't run because it requires the 'GINN R360 firmware chip'. A quick Google search didn't reveal anything.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by lcww1 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:31 pm

Thanks again for sharing Kenelm :D

I’ve been keen to try out Longman - Nuclear Reactor Simulator for some time, but I couldn’t locate a copy - I’ve not tried searching for this for a while, but I don’t think it’s available elsewhere?

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by billcarr2005 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:10 pm

Kenelm wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:47 pm
There are also a small number with copy protection that has prevented me from creating working SSDs. Of these, only two appear not to have already been archived by other people. They are:
  • The Dudley Programs – Ballooning
  • The Dudley Programs – Understanding the Weather
Received these today!
Since the protection was known, it was a case of altering some of the offensive code and saving off the files which were then accessible :)

Thanks to Kenelm for supplying the disks!
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:45 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:10 pm
Received these today!
Since the protection was known, it was a case of altering some of the offensive code and saving off the files which were then accessible :)
Many thanks for doing the disc images so quickly! :D

I've only now looked at the programs myself, because I own a Master 128, which wouldn't run the discs. I note the protection code is much more sophisticated than the actual programs.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by flaxcottage » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:49 pm

Kenelm wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:45 pm

I've only now looked at the programs myself, because I own a Master 128, which wouldn't run the discs. I note the protection code is much more sophisticated than the actual programs.
That is often the case. :? I wrote in my hacking diary for the "Fun Phonics" title by Pavic Publications "Way OTT protection for a crummy program".

That says it all.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by AndyF » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:53 pm

flaxcottage wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:49 pm
That says it all.
Its not just this platform that has this, many programs 'elsewhere' employ loaders that in some cases are about 6KB in length (yes just the loader and endless decrypters) :?

FWIW: Later 'Speedlock' (as in v4/5 onwards) is a very prime example here but this is off topic, sorry. My minor point being I completely agree the loader is in some cases better written that what its 'protecting' :mrgreen:

Back on topic, I can only applaud those who are making this software available again, I and I'm sure loads of others here greatly appreciate the effort that is required to do this. =D>
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:00 pm

lcww1 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:31 pm
I’ve been keen to try out Longman - Nuclear Reactor Simulator for some time, but I couldn’t locate a copy - I’ve not tried searching for this for a while, but I don’t think it’s available elsewhere?
Reactor / Nuclear Reactor Simulator
Longman

I don't have the original disc for this, just a copy.

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Post by flaxcottage » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:28 am

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:06 am

Into the Unknown
Tressell Publications

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For me, a little bit of nostalgia looking at this, because I played Into the Unknown at primary school around '89. I remember enjoying it back then, but also recall slight frustration because there were lots of groups and my group never got the chance to finish playing.

Looking at it now, I see it is split into two parts, and I only remember part two. Part one is titled 'Preparations' and is divided into five topics. It has information and exercises on subjects including compass directions, grid references and naming parts of a ship.

An oddity is that there appears to be no easy way to move on to part two and it is easy to miss it is there. I don't know whether my disc has been modified or if this was intentional on the part of the authors. Anyway, to access part two there seems to be no option other than to use CHAIN "INTO".

Part two is definitely the more fun part, you are a member of the crew on a sailing ship exploring the "New World" around the 15th century. There is a 33 by 25 grid to explore with the idea being to chart your route and record the coastline as you discover it. It is also possible to stop at harbours and explore inland. Points can be gained for things like trading or plundering resources and lost for example if you are attacked by a hostile ship.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:52 am

  • The Dudley Programs – Ballooning
  • The Dudley Programs – Understanding the Weather
Download links here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7190&start=600#p217428
I've now had a proper look at these two. I can't make much sense of Understanding the Weather. It was presumably intended to demonstrate weather formations, but I can't work out if it is possible to control what is shown other than to start and pause. Documentation would obviously help, although it seems slightly lazy not to include basic instructions in the program itself.

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I think Ballooning is quite interesting. It simulates flying a hot air balloon. Landing isn't easy! It took me a while to work out the keys, which are below:
F0 - Burner on (more power)
F1 - Burner on (less power)
F3 - Burner off
F4 - Open vent (less?)
F5 - Open vent (more?)
F6 - Close vent
Space - Pause

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Post by Kenelm » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:02 pm

Advanced Studies: Geography
BBC Soft (MEP / BBC Radiovision Unit)

Originally on cassette. The disc conversion was done back in the day.

It includes the following programs -
  • Derwent - Drainage Basin Management
  • Leicester - Traffic Flow
  • Swindon - Shopping Patterns
  • Salford - Enterprise Zones
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by billcarr2005 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:28 pm

Kenelm wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:47 pm
There are also a small number with copy protection that has prevented me from creating working SSDs. Of these, only two appear not to have already been archived by other people. They are:
  • The Dudley Programs – Ballooning
  • The Dudley Programs – Understanding the Weather
You wait for years for some software titles by "The Dudley Programs" to come along, and then there's another within a week!

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Post by Kenelm » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:25 pm

Stars
MESU Software / AUCBE / Advisory Unit, Hatfield

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Post by Kenelm » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:35 pm

Julius Caesar
Penguin Study Software

Originally on cassette.

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Post by AndyF » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:59 am

I'd give thought to adding that Shipwreck ssd here in this topic/thread too, given it seems almost educational ? :)
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:16 pm

AndyF wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:59 am
I'd give thought to adding that Shipwreck ssd here in this topic/thread too, given it seems almost educational ? :)
I wasn't sure where to put it. I suppose I didn't think it was quite educational enough for this thread. People can follow the link above if interested.

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:19 pm

Time Quest
Medusa (Bishop Grosseteste College)

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Post by flaxcottage » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:16 am

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:44 am

flaxcottage wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:16 am
=D> =D> =D>
I see the archive has just reached 1000 programs, so its you who deserves the =D> =D> =D>
Excellent work!

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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:49 am

SLIMWAM
Association of Teachers of Mathematics

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Most, or perhaps all, of the programs here also appear on other packages. I thought it was probably still worth sharing.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by Kenelm » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:50 am

QED: Explanation and Proof
Association of Teachers of Mathematics
  • Switch
  • Flip
  • Changer
  • Decide
  • Square Part 1
  • Square Part 2
The first four programs involve rearranging sequences. The aim is to investigate ways of rearranging a sequence so the pattern matches the one shown at the bottom of the screen. I found Changer and Decide the most interesting where, by design, part of the challenge is to work out how the program works.

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Post by flaxcottage » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:20 pm

Great, thanks. I'll add these to my website. I have already archived SLIMWAM2 so SLIMWAM will be a good addition.

It is often the case that compilations by various bodies include software that was published elsewhere, some of it commercial. It seems that BITD not much attention was paid to copyright.
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Re: Educational Archive not in STH

Post by klintworth » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:38 am

Some Educational docs
A Simple Guide to the BBC Computer.pdf.zip
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LOGO Ideas.pdf.zip
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BBC B Issue 4, BBC B UNB09 Issue1 (USA), Electron & A7000+

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