Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

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Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

Post by mfc » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:00 am

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to find standalone roms for the Electron versions of Enigma and Paranoid by Cervin Games.I was able to find them in the BBC Arcade Disk 086 someone posted here, but would like to have them as separate files.
Also couldn't find a way to run Enigma from such disk.

Could anyone please help me out with it?

Thanks

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Re: Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

Post by richardtoohey » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:24 am

Hi, there.

Do you mean from here?

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7794&start=210#p91418

And do you want to try and run the games on a BBC or an Electron?

Do you mean real hardware or emulators or both or anything?

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Post by richardtoohey » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:29 am

Here's Enigma from that disc, running under Elkulator:
enigma.jpg

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Post by richardtoohey » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:48 am

If you look at !BOOT it is a BASIC program.

Paranoid is side 0, so *DRIVE 0.

The menu chains PARA, which *RUNs PARANOI. There are also some files that might be related:

PARA1
PARA2
PARA3

(Maybe PASTAT as well).

Enigma on side 2, so *DRIVE 2.

The menu chains ENIGMA, and if you follow the code in the BASIC files, you find:

CHAIN "ELD1"
LOADPIC
CHAIN "ELD2"
CHAIN "ELOAD"
ESTAT
EI1
EI2 ... etc.
EI8

So to get those two programs onto their own disc, you need to copy at least those files off and test.

Can't help too much more without knowing what the end result you are after is ...

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Re: Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

Post by mfc » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:48 am

Thanks a lot for your reply, yes that's where I got them from a couple of months back, couldn't find the post earlier. I always wanted to ask about it, but only got my account activated here very recently.

I'm trying to play them on Elkulator, I didn't realize it was a DSD file that explains why I couldn't find Enigma... I never switched the sides. At least I can play it now so thanks for bringing that up.

I have no idea on how to copy files and create new disk files from the emulator though or even how to create a new !BOOT file to run the games, could you help me out creating them or at least point me to where I can find that info?

The end result I'm after is having each game on it's own disk (I can have uneeded files there as well, that's no problem) and a !BOOT file to automatically run the game instead of going through the menu. ie chain PARA or ENIGMA.

Thanks!

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Post by aerworuld » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:59 pm

I know there's a menu option on BeebEm to create a new disk from loose files, but I can't remember if it's in Elkulator? You could always create the .ssd or .dsd in BeebEm to use in Elkulator.

Stuart :-)

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Post by richardtoohey » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:46 pm

mfc wrote:I have no idea on how to copy files and create new disk files from the emulator though or even how to create a new !BOOT file to run the games, could you help me out creating them or at least point me to where I can find that info?
I'll have a go for you later.

All I've done in the past is download an SSD file with stuff on it (e.g. GAMES1.SSD), copy the file on my PC to e.g. BLANK1.SSD, then load that BLANK1.SSD in Elkulator, *DELETE all the files, and then put stuff on the new "blank" disc image.

So in theory, do that first - end up with a BLANK1.SSD.

Copy it to ENIGMA.SSD, and copy it again to PARANOID.SSD.

Then load the Games 086 DSD as drive 0/2 in Elkulator, put ENIGMA.SSD as drive 1, and do some *LOAD/*SAVEs or copy the files (been a long time since I did that!)

Repeat, but this time with PARANOID.SSD in drive 1.

I'll try doing that later.

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Re: Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

Post by richardtoohey » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:49 pm

mfc wrote:I'm trying to play them on Elkulator, I didn't realize it was a DSD file that explains why I couldn't find Enigma... I never switched the sides. At least I can play it now so thanks for bringing that up.
I'm not sure how to do a Shift-Break in Elkulator (might be Shift-F12) - but I just use CH."!BOOT" to run the menu - then you don't need to worry about which side the game is on - the menu takes care of it for you.

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Post by CMcDougall » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:49 pm

thanks to your input of some of the files Mr.T :wink:
and a little more help from *OPT1,2 before chaning the loaders 8)

Welcome mfc :)

passwords for Para are in first file, so:
RENIFLER , EMBARDEE & IMMINENT

here they are now on single .SSD
shift-Break to go:
Attachments
Enigma.zip
ssd
(28.4 KiB) Downloaded 51 times
Paranoid.zip
ssd
(26.27 KiB) Downloaded 46 times
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Re: Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

Post by mfc » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:03 am

Thanks both of you for your help!
The new files are exactly what I wanted and are working great, I was already trying to do Shift+F12 (it is Shift-Break in Elkulator indeed), but for some reason the menu never showed emulator just hanged there. I see that chaining the !BOOT works though, so thanks for the tip.

But having them in separate files is just perfect, so thanks once again. Enigma is a pretty nice game I must say, I'm enjoying it very much. Paranoid is kinda frustrating, but still fun :)

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Re: Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

Post by richardtoohey » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:15 am

mfc wrote:Paranoid is kinda frustrating
](*,) ](*,) ](*,) Understatement of the year!

Not seen these two before; don't think I'll try Paranoid any more but might give Enigma another shot.

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Re: Enigma & Paranoid (Electron)

Post by mfc » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:54 am

eheh I think it's kinda like the flappy bird for the Electron :D

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