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Elite Master Compact version

Post by DutchAcorn » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:37 pm

There was a Master Compact version of Elite on eBay sold today. This is the only (?) ADFS version of 8 bit Elite and I am curious how it is set-up. Simple "E" directory? Does it support the Master Compact digital joystick?

I have not found an image of this version, anyone have a copy? [-o<

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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by MatthewThompson » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:52 pm

Wonder why the seller listed it as Acorn 32 bit ?? getting their Archimedes and Compacts confused !!

I may well be able to get you a copy of Elite (master compact) if you are interested - it won't have a box but the manual/disc/key strip (photocopy) they are genuine and come from Superior.

Let me know if you are interested and i'll see what i can do

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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by DutchAcorn » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:12 pm

MatthewThompson wrote:Wonder why the seller listed it as Acorn 32 bit ?? getting their Archimedes and Compacts confused !!

I may well be able to get you a copy of Elite (master compact) if you are interested - it won't have a box but the manual/disc/key strip (photocopy) they are genuine and come from Superior.

Let me know if you are interested and i'll see what i can do

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Hi Matthew, any chance you can image the disc? I am not so much interested in owning a copy, but I am interested in the differences with the Master 128 version.
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by CMcDougall » Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:01 pm

the disc is protected, I could not 'back it up' :cry:

here is the files from it here, and pic of disc. Got all the stuff in the original box \:D/
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by billcarr2005 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:38 am

The origins of this disk are lost in the mists of time... but i *think* i got all of the files from the Master Compact 3.5" disk - in 2009 it would seem! :)
Appears to work in B-em V2.2 in BBC Master Compact mode and on BeebEm 4.14 in BBC Master 128 mode.
Seems the disk image is smaller than Colin's version though... maybe it's missing something and will crash later on? :roll:
... but deleting ELPIC, O.BDATA and O.ELITE from the aforementioned image still allows the game to load...
... also comparing M128Elt FF0E00 FF0E43 0002D1 and !BOOT FF0E00 FF0E43 0002E4 shows that the "loader" is marginally longer on the BBC MC disk.
... further comparisons -

O.ELITE appears to be a (protected?) loader which doesn't load anything
ELPIC requires a filename after it - some kind of viewer? (sets up a split screen mode)

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(adf) BDATA 00001300 00001300 00004200
(ssd) BDATA 00000000 00000000 00004200    ] same?
(ssd) O.BDATA 00001300 00001300 00004200  ] 

(adf) ELITE 00001300 00002C6C 00006D00
(ssd) BCODE  00000000 00000000 00006C48
Having read Colin's thread referred to earlier, as the O files are the originals... i must've saved off the resultant code from ELITE on this disk image :)
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by richardtoohey » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:45 am

MatthewThompson wrote:I may well be able to get you a copy of Elite (master compact) if you are interested - it won't have a box but the manual/disc/key strip (photocopy) they are genuine and come from Superior.

Let me know if you are interested and i'll see what i can do

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Hi, Matthew - not sure about the OP, but I would be interested, please.

If not possible no worries.

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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by MatthewThompson » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:08 pm

DutchAcorn wrote:
MatthewThompson wrote:Wonder why the seller listed it as Acorn 32 bit ?? getting their Archimedes and Compacts confused !!

I may well be able to get you a copy of Elite (master compact) if you are interested - it won't have a box but the manual/disc/key strip (photocopy) they are genuine and come from Superior.

Let me know if you are interested and i'll see what i can do

Matthew
Hi Matthew, any chance you can image the disc? I am not so much interested in owning a copy, but I am interested in the differences with the Master 128 version.
I don't personally own the a copy of this version of Elite, and not sure how you make images either.

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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by DutchAcorn » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:39 pm

richardtoohey wrote:.. - not sure about the OP, but I would be interested ..
Ok by me Richard, I guess you'd best PM Matthew.
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by DutchAcorn » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:56 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:The origins of this disk are lost in the mists of time... but i *think* i got all of the files from the Master Compact 3.5" disk - in 2009 it would seem! :)
Appears to work in B-em V2.2 in BBC Master Compact mode and on BeebEm 4.14 in BBC Master 128 mode.
It took a little while, but I finally managed to write this image to a floppy using Omniflop. ADFS images somehow give me trouble so I imaged the floppy back to see if that still worked in BeebEm - it does.

The floppy does not work in my M128 or my Master Compact, I get this:
elite crash.jpg
The floppy verifies ok and I have RAM slot 6 free.

Any ideas?

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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by CMcDougall » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:57 pm

^don't know as I ain't tried that ADFS :evil: version, but I know mine I linked to further up this thread definitely works on DFS \:D/
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by DutchAcorn » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:44 am

CMcDougall wrote:^don't know as I ain't tried that ADFS :evil: version, but I know mine I linked to further up this thread definitely works on DFS \:D/
Have not tried that one yet. The thing I'd like to find out is if the MC version has support for a digital joystick. "Your" version has the M128Elt file on it. Are you positive this is the Master Compact version?

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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by billcarr2005 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:29 am

I've copied the files from the ADF over to an SSD. Loads up OK in BeebEM (BBC Master 128 mode). Ship on the "Load new commander" screen is broken on B-Em 2.2 (BBC Master 128 mode) but not BBC Master 128 w/MOS3.5 - not sure why!
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by CMcDougall » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:25 pm

DutchAcorn wrote:like to find out is if the MC version has support for a digital joystick
Don't know about that, as I hate joysticks even more than ADFS :shock: :lol: so never tried them, even though I do have two sets burried somewhere in my big loft.
billcarr2005 wrote:copied the files from the ADF over to an SSD
=D> can I ask how you got the !BOOT EL (01) file off onto DFS? using a ram saver /debugger? or a disc manager? :? Every time with the original ADFS 31/2" discs I have, they only allow me to *RUN them, or they say "Access violation" :twisted:
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by DutchAcorn » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:11 pm

Succes! I formatted the floppy as ADFS L where it should be ADFS M :oops:

Now it works fine in my Master Compact. The version is different from the Master 128 version: the digital joystick is supported! It works the same as the keys: keeping the joystick to the left increases the roll, letting go slowly brings it back to centre.
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by billcarr2005 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:25 pm

Originally, when working with the file on an actual BBC Master, i had a program similar to

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10 FOR I%=&8000 TO &FFFF
20 IF (?I% AND &7F)=&21 AND (?(I%+1) AND &7F)=&42 PRINT I%
30 NEXT
This finds the first two characters of [!B]OOT in the virtual catalogue, at &C405. I'm certain i read it somewhere, but it's easy enough to test which high bits are set to give the file it's attributes -

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1ST [R]EADABLE
2ND [W]RITEABLE
3RD [L]OCKED
4TH [D]IRECTORY
5TH [E]XECUTABLE
So with a simple

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?&C405=&A1
?&C406=&C2
?&C407=&4F
?&C409=&54
!BOOT becomes WR instead of EL :)
Nowadays, knowing the general location of the virtual catalogue and BeebEM's debugger saves all that work :P
DutchAcorn wrote:Succes! I formatted the floppy as ADFS L where it should be ADFS M :oops:

Now it works fine in my Master Compact. The version is different from the Master 128 version: the digital joystick is supported! It works the same as the keys: keeping the joystick to the left increases the roll, letting go slowly brings it back to centre.
Glad you got it working! =D>
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by DutchAcorn » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:26 pm

DutchAcorn wrote:
CMcDougall wrote:^don't know as I ain't tried that ADFS :evil: version, but I know mine I linked to further up this thread definitely works on DFS \:D/
Have not tried that one yet. The thing I'd like to find out is if the MC version has support for a digital joystick. "Your" version has the M128Elt file on it. Are you positive this is the Master Compact version?

Thanks!
Also tried your version, but it does not support the digital joystick. This seems to be the M128 version, not the Master Compact version.

Attached is the image I used for Omniflop (320K ADFS M).
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Re: Elite Master Compact version

Post by CMcDougall » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:54 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:!BOOT becomes WR instead of EL :)
Thanks for that 8) will give it a go when I get a moment to myself....
DutchAcorn wrote:tried your version, but it does not support the digital joystick
:-s never needed so never checked! Looking at my original manual, nothing about the digital joystick :?
but this page may help you for saving your commander:
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