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Offered: BeebOPL an 'Ad Lib / Soundblaster' sound card for the Beeb

Postby lazarusr » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:36 pm

UPDATE: TAKING ORDERS
I am now ready to accept orders. I want to make sure that people are clear about what is on offer (as some PMs I have received suggest I may have caused confusion). There are two options:

OPTION 1: PCB and chipset
You will receive a PCB and the two Yamaha ICs. You will have to source all the other components. You will then have to assemble the board. This (obviously) involves soldering.

Price for this is £7.00 including 1st class post within the UK. (Alternatively, you can pick it up from me at an event for £5.50.)

OPTION 2: Complete kit
You will receive a PCB, the two Yamaha ICs and all the other parts required for a standard build. You will still have to assemble the board. This too will involve soldering.

Price for this is £13.50 including 1st class post within the UK. (Alternatively, you can pick it up from me at an event for £12.00.)

Just to be clear, both options involve soldering.

In addition to the above you will need to source a 34-way female to female IDC cable and a 5V DC power supply with a 2.1mm barrel connector. (Pretty much anything will do as it only draws 30mA. I use a USB phone charger and an adapter cable.)

How to order
Please send me a PM with details of whether you want a complete kit or a PCB and chipset. Please also give me details of where you want it posted to. Please could payment be by PayPal 'friends and family'. I will reply with details of my PayPal registered email.

If you would rather collect this from an event, please still send me a PM with details of whether you want a complete kit or a PCB and chipset and which event you want to collect from (RISC OS London or ABUG Bolton). I am happy to take payment by PayPal now, but I am equally content to take cash at the event when you pick it up.

I hope this is all clear and OK with everyone.

Finally, I am still looking into a solution for anyone who is uncomfortable with soldering and, therefore, wants a ready made card. I hope to post details of this in the next few weeks.

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A small number of people have asked me whether they could have one of my BeebOPL boards and I thought it may well be worthwhile checking whether there is any wider interest.

I would make these available at cost. Depending on the extent of interest, I think one board together with the two Yamaha chips would cost about £6 or £7. All the other parts are readily available from the usual electronic component stockists. If there were sufficient interest, however, I could also buy the parts in one go (thereby avoiding additional P&P charges). If I did that, I suspect that a complete kit of parts (including the board and the two Yamaha chips), with sufficient numbers, would cost about £14 or £15. The only other things necessary would be 5V power and a 34 way IDC ribbon cable.

The card is based on the YM3812 which was the chip in the Ad Lib Sound Card and the first Soundblaster card.

I have put together a playlist on SoundCloud which demonstrates what the board is capable of. All the recordings are made directly from the audio output of the BeebOPL board.

For fans of badly written code, there is also a GitHub repo.

My original thread on the board is here.

Here is a picture of the board. As you can see it has a very similar footprint to the BeebSID board.

BeebOPL - 1.jpg

Programming it is rather different from the BeebSID though and I am also hoping to put together a few notes on what I have learnt so far.

Finally, this YouTube video may be of interest. The Sound Expander was very much the inspiration for this project.

So feel free to post here or PM me if you have any interest in this.

I am also hoping to demo this (along with some other sound related things) at the upcoming RISC OS (& ABUG) London Show at the end of October. So do come along if you have time and are nearby.

This is not an order list. It is just for me to keep a record of who has expressed an interest.
  • Arcadian - Complete kits x2 - PAID (£24.00) - collected 19.11.16
  • Prime - PCB and chipset - PAID (£7.00) - posted 27.10.16
  • danielj - Complete kit - PAID (£12.00) - collected 19.11.16
  • daveejhitchins - Complete kit - PAID (£12.00) - collected 18.11.16
  • denni505
  • SarahWalker - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 25.10.16
  • 1024MAK - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 17.10.16
  • billcarr2005
  • RobC - Complete kit - PAID (£12.00) - collected 29.10.16
  • paulv - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 17.10.16
  • thecellartroll - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 17.10.16
  • bitstik - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 20.10.16
  • PitfallJones
  • Paul - Complete kit - PAID (£12.00) - collected 29.10.16
  • poink - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 17.10.16
  • dwarfmage - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 25.10.16
  • roland - Complete kit - PAID (£12.00) - collected 19.11.16
  • KarateEd - Complete kit - PAID (£17.00) - posted 17.10.16
  • grannyg - Complete kit - PAID (£13.50) - posted 19.10.16
  • z0m8ied0g - Complete kit - PAID (£12.00) - collected 20.11.16
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Postby Arcadian » Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:03 pm

Wonderful to see BeebOPL finally being offered to the masses! :)

Been waiting to get my hands on this since I first saw it demoed in Bolton, but I don't have any assembly skills. Would you consider offering fully assembled/populated boards? Either way I'd like two complete kits please; loose or if possible, fully assembled. Happy to pay whatever price you determine for complete boards! :)

Hope to see lots of other StarDotters picking up this magnificent piece of kit whilst they're available!! OPL2 is a thing of beauty!!
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Postby Prime » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:06 pm

Yep,

Deffo interested, will probably just need board and Yamaha chips as I've probably got the rest :)

Cheers.

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Postby danielj » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:03 pm

Likewise, board and Yamaha chips :D - awesome work, great to see it in the wild!

d.

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Postby daveejhitchins » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:22 pm

Prime wrote:Yep,

Deffo interested, will probably just need board and Yamaha chips as I've probably got the rest :)

Cheers.

Phill.


I'd like a similar kit, please . . .

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Postby denni505 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:47 pm

very interested a complete setup thanks

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Postby SarahWalker » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:03 pm

I'd be interested, board and Yamaha chips please! :)

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Postby 1024MAK » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:28 pm

I'm beyond "interested", I'm at "I want one" :P. A board and Yamaha chips please, or a partial kit of parts.

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Postby billcarr2005 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:09 am

Please add me to the list. Like Arcadian, I'd prefer the fully assembled board, if possible. Name your price!

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Postby daveejhitchins » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:22 am

daveejhitchins wrote:I'd like a similar kit, please . . .

Dave H :D
Edit to my post . . . If a number of people request full kits, then to assist in quantity purchasing I'll take a full kit too. Whichever way suits your overall plan.

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Postby RobC » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:51 pm

I'd be interested in a full kit please.

Thanks,

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Postby paulv » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:11 pm

I'd definitely be interested in having a kit please :D

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Postby thecellartroll » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:00 pm

Me too! Me too!

Just a board with Yamaha chips would be fine but a kit that I can assemble would be awesome!

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Postby Bitstik » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:23 am

Me! Me!me!
Put me down for a full kit please or an assembled one if that becomes an option

Many thanks
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Postby PitfallJones » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:59 am

Hi,
I'd be interrested in an assembled one,
Thanks
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Postby Paul » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:46 pm

I'd be up for an assembled (or not assembled) one too!

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Postby poink » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:55 pm

Interested in a complete kit (although, the board and Yamaha chips would be fine if the kit's not an option)

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Postby lazarusr » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:39 am

UPDATE
I have ordered a run of PCBs. They should be here in a couple of weeks.

I am now in a position to provide a more accurate estimate of costs. A PCB plus the two Yamaha chips is likely to cost about £6.10. The price for the complete kit is likely to be about £12.50. Both these prices include UK shipping by first class post. (For those of you who are going to Bolton and are happy to wait until then, I can bring them up with me. This will reduce the cost by £1.27.)

The biggest uncertainty is whether or not I will incur charges when the PCBs pass through customs. I won’t know this until they arrive. If there are customs charges, my best estimate is that this will add about 60p to the above prices.

When the boards arrive and I am happy that they are OK, I will start taking payments. I trust everyone is happy doing this as a ‘friends and family’ PayPal payment. (People to whom I am 'hand delivering' can pay cash if they prefer.)

I am also working on a solution for people who want a fully assembled board. If this comes to fruition, the cost of this will be somewhat more than the prices quoted above. Also, this option will not be available immediately. People wanting assembled boards will have to wait a little longer.

Just in case there is anyone who hasn't put their name down who is interested, I will have a number of boards left over.

I have made a number of changes to the design since the original prototype. Thanks to a very helpful suggestion from 1024MAK, I am now using a 74HCT688N to do the address decoding. This has reduced the chip count and, consequently, the cost of parts.

I have also included a number of optional variations based on certain aspects of the design of the Mk2.3 version of the BeebSID board. These include the following:

  • Terminating resistor networks on the 1 MHz bus
  • Use of a power MOSFET as reverse-voltage input protection
  • Use of a voltage regulator as a kind of over voltage-input protection
  • Power LED
  • Alternative connectors for power and audio that would assist mounting the board in a case or inside a Beeb.
As explained above, all of these are entirely optional. None are needed to build a fully functional board and the necessary optional parts will not be included in the kits.

Finally, I am doing everything I can to keep the cost of the kits to an absolute minimum. To that end, I am looking at the possibility of supplying CMOS ‘HCT’ chips instead of the two TTL ‘LS’ logic chips; which may prove a little cheaper. HCT chips are meant to be voltage compatible with LS devices. HCT chips are working fine in my prototype board. But I want to check them out more thoroughly before making a final decision. If anyone has any concerns about this, please say so.

For the same reason (albeit a bit more straightforward), the kits will include the cheaper stamped pin IC sockets (and not the more expensive turned pin variety). Again, if this causes concern for anyone, please say so.

An updated schematic and other stuff is available on GitHub.

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Postby lazarusr » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:46 am

I should also add then I am going to be at the RISC OS London Show and, with a following wind across the South China Sea, I may well have the boards by then. So anyone who wants one and is coming to the Show can collect it them.

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Postby danielj » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:12 am

Great news - I'm happy to wait until Bolton. I don't have any 74HCT688Ns in my box of bits, so a full kit would be fab!

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Postby 1024MAK » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:21 am

With regard to using CMOS HCT logic chips in place of LS types, here are my thoughts:
  • IC1 - using a 74HCT02 should be okay, I can see no problems with any part of the circuit.
  • IC3 - the only area that may cause problems with using a HCT type in place of a LS type may be the crystal oscillator section.
You already have a working prototype, so it's unlikely others will experience problems. If there are problems with a 74HCT04 in IC3 position, changing the values of the resistors should help. If you want to do some simple tests to be more certain and you can get hold of a 74HCT04 from more than one manufacturer, try each of them at different ambient temperatures, if they all work okay, that should be enough to prove the circuit will work for other users. Suggested method for different temperatures is simple. Just three should be fine: room temperature; 5oC meaning leave in the fridge for a couple of hours; and finally warm up the whole board in a warm place for a couple of hours (very warm airing cupboard or similar). Then test immediately :wink:

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Postby lazarusr » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:42 pm

1024MAK wrote:With regard to using CMOS HCT logic chips in place of LS types, here are my thoughts:
  • IC1 - using a 74HCT02 should be okay, I can see no problems with any part of the circuit.
  • IC3 - the only area that may cause problems with using a HCT type in place of a LS type may be the crystal oscillator section.
You already have a working prototype, so it's unlikely others will experience problems. If there are problems with a 74HCT04 in IC3 position, changing the values of the resistors should help. If you want to do some simple tests to be more certain and you can get hold of a 74HCT04 from more than one manufacturer, try each of them at different ambient temperatures, if they all work okay, that should be enough to prove the circuit will work for other users. Suggested method for different temperatures is simple. Just three should be fine: room temperature; 5oC meaning leave in the fridge for a couple of hours; and finally warm up the whole board in a warm place for a couple of hours (very warm airing cupboard or similar). Then test immediately :wink:

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Thanks.

I had though that the oscillator section might be a problem, but I had, in my naive way, just intended to see whether the clock traces on the 'scope were as 'clean' as with the LS04. I hadn't thought of different temperatures or different manufacturers so I will give that a try.
I am not sure I am going to make the costs savings I had hoped for (a particularly cheap chip seems to be out of stock). But I am keen to follow this through just for my own benefit and for future reference.

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Postby denni505 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:34 am

Can't get to the show money waiting though

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Postby dwarfmage » Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:42 pm

Could you add me to your list for a complete kit please

Cheers

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Postby lazarusr » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:36 am

UPDATE
The PCBs have now cleared customs :D. Unfortunately there was a fairly hefty charge :( (effectively, 37% :evil:) This means the prices have gone up a little.

My best estimate of cost now is as follows:

  • Full kit - £11.85 (plus £1.27 for 1st class postage)
  • PCB plus two Yamaha chips - £5.28 (plus £1.27 for 1st class postage)
Unless there is some big surprise, I don't expect those prices to change more than a few pennies. If you are coming to the RISC OS London Show at the end of the month or to ABUG Bolton next month, you can collect from me then and avoid the postage cost.

The PCBs will arrive in the next couple of days. I will have to build one to make sure everything is OK given the various design tweaks. I hope to then take firm orders and payment over the weekend and post out (to those who don't want to collect) some time next week.

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Postby RobC » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:38 pm

Thanks for this. I'm planning on being at the London show assuming my arm is better and I'm driving again by then!

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Postby denni505 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:47 pm

looks nice and the price is fine cant wait to pay and get so that i can play around with it

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Postby tricky » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:18 pm

Will you have any spare kits at the RISCos show as I haven't made my mind up yet?

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Postby lazarusr » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:20 pm

Yes, I was planning to bring a few down.

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Re: Offered: BeebOPL an 'Ad Lib / Soundblaster' sound card for the Beeb

Postby thecellartroll » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:59 pm

Kit price seems a bargain! I'll definitely be after one of those :D :D


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