Clogger Maps

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Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:25 pm

I found the Electron version of Clogger to be surprisingly good and closer to the BBC version than I'd expected. So I wrote a tool to display maps for the different levels. You can find it at Bitbucket.

The way Clogger stores sprites is quite like Repton. I wonder if Gordon Key had looked at how Repton was done before writing his own game.
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The first level.

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby streaks » Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:50 pm

This is brilliant... but I wish you'd just post the screenshots of the maps instead. :P Python is a lot to mess around with for someone who just wants a few little images. ;/
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:12 am

I'll put them up the first chance I get. Meanwhile, you might find maps already available for the BBC version of the game on the Stairway To Hell.

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:52 pm

For completeness, here are the SLIPPER levels, according to the code I wrote to decode them:
SLIPPER-1.png
SLIPPER level 1
SLIPPER-2.png
SLIPPER level 2
SLIPPER-3.png
SLIPPER level 3
SLIPPER-4.png
SLIPPER level 4
SLIPPER-5.png
SLIPPER level 5

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:54 pm

The BRUSHES levels:
BRUSHES-1.png
BRUSHES level 1
BRUSHES-2.png
BRUSHES level 2
BRUSHES-3.png
BRUSHES level 3
BRUSHES-4.png
BRUSHES level 4
BRUSHES-5.png
BRUSHES level 5

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:55 pm

The ARTIST levels:
ARTIST-1.png
ARTIST level 1
ARTIST-2.png
ARTIST level 2
ARTIST-3.png
ARTIST level 3
ARTIST-4.png
ARTIST level 4
ARTIST-5.png
ARTIST level 5

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:56 pm

The PAINT levels:
PAINT-1.png
PAINT level 1
PAINT-2.png
PAINT level 2
PAINT-3.png
PAINT level 3
PAINT-4.png
PAINT level 4
PAINT-5.png
PAINT level 5

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Postby billcarr2005 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:51 pm

Always great to see how the maps make miniature works of art. =D>

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby Dave_E » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:46 pm

I'd like to have a play with this but I have zero idea how to install Python. Can anyone direct me to a good YouTube video or resource that sets out how I install it to my PC (Windows 7)?

Sorry if this is an idiot question... But I guess I won't be the only person who sees the potential here but might be thwarted by "new" technology. :-)

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Postby davidb » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:09 pm

Dave_E wrote:I'd like to have a play with this but I have zero idea how to install Python. Can anyone direct me to a good YouTube video or resource that sets out how I install it to my PC (Windows 7)?

I think you'll need the Windows x86-64 MSI installer for Python 2.7 (from this page) and the Windows 64 bit installer for PyQt (from this page). If you're on a 32-bit system then you'll need the appropriate installers instead. ;)

Dave_E wrote:Sorry if this is an idiot question... But I guess I won't be the only person who sees the potential here but might be thwarted by "new" technology. :-)

I occasionally think that I should do Javascript versions of some of these tools so that they could be used in the browser. I briefly looked at this last year. Can anyone recommend a good, but lightweight, framework for this kind of thing?

I should note that the editor I wrote doesn't include support for placing the puzzle tiles or even for saving new levels, so it isn't all that useful. Still, it was only thrown together in an evening. :)

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby Dave_E » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:52 pm

Is there any possibility you might add the option to save maps, etc?

I read through your notes and, seeing as you've catalogued exactly which bytes control what, I could probably have a go at making an editor for it (much as I did for Chuckie Egg 2009 back in um 2009). Then we could create "Clogger 2: The Revenge". :-) :-)

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby streaks » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:58 pm

Woa this is brilliant! Thanks millionses!
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:28 am

Thanks, streaks. Good to know you like it. :)

Dave_E, it doesn't look too hard to write the data back to files in the UEF file. Making the puzzle pieces editable might be a bit more work. I don't remember much about it now - like you, I only have my notes to remind me.

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:38 pm

Putting the puzzle pieces together for each level results in the following sets of images for the SLIPPER and BRUSHES levels.

SLIPPER:
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BRUSHES:
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SLIPPER level 5
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SLIPPER level 4
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SLIPPER level 3
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SLIPPER-2.png
SLIPPER level 2
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SLIPPER-1.png
SLIPPER level 1
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BRUSHES-5.png
BRUSHES level 5
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BRUSHES level 4
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BRUSHES-3.png
BRUSHES level 3
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BRUSHES-2.png
BRUSHES level 2
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BRUSHES-1.png
BRUSHES level 1
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:41 pm

And here are the completed pictures for the ARTIST and PAINT levels.

ARTIST:
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PAINT:
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PAINT-5.png
PAINT level 5
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PAINT-4.png
PAINT level 4
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PAINT-3.png
PAINT level 3
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PAINT-2.png
PAINT level 2
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PAINT-1.png
PAINT level 1
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ARTIST-5.png
ARTIST level 5
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ARTIST-4.png
ARTIST level 4
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ARTIST-3.png
ARTIST level 3
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ARTIST-2.png
ARTIST level 2
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ARTIST-1.png
ARTIST level 1
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:11 pm

I should really be doing other things, but I couldn't resist making the puzzles themselves modifiable.
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I've made it possible to change the passwords for levels 2 to 5 in each set. Now all I need to do is to find out where Clogger stores the information about the location of the puzzle on each level.
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:54 pm

OK, I'm putting this project to bed for a while. I've uploaded the latest version to the public repository and will hopefully get round to updating the Retro Software Wiki page.

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Editing a new level.
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Playing a new level.
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:20 pm

I noticed while searching for information about Clogger that this utility now has an entry at Every Game Going. :)

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby paulb » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:52 am

davidb wrote:I noticed while searching for information about Clogger that this utility now has an entry at Every Game Going. :)


The metadata isn't correct, though:

Release: Released as Public Domain software For Download


Even though the licence information appears on the page, it still shouldn't be classified as public domain. "Free Software" or "open source software" would be more descriptive and accurate. Since it is also cross-platform, the "PC (Windows)" compatibility is a bit narrow as well.

But I guess these values are used for want of a richer set of values that describe modern licensing and platform choices.

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:26 pm

paulb wrote:Even though the licence information appears on the page, it still shouldn't be classified as public domain. "Free Software" or "open source software" would be more descriptive and accurate. Since it is also cross-platform, the "PC (Windows)" compatibility is a bit narrow as well.

But I guess these values are used for want of a richer set of values that describe modern licensing and platform choices.

Yes, I think Every Game Going is still a work in progress. I thought of linking to Acorn Electron World instead, but I think EGG is Dave_E's focus now.

Dave, is it useful to report the things that Paul mentioned or do you need to add support for more fields in the metadata first?

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:20 pm

I wrote up my impressions of Clogger as part of an article on my site. I hope people find it interesting. :)

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby streaks » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:59 pm

brilliant haul. cheers :D 'preciate the work
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby SimonSideburns » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:28 pm

Are there any walkthroughs on any of the popular video sites?

I enjoyed playing the first level when a demo of the game appeared in The Micro User (I believe). I even have the disk still stashed away somewhere.

I don't think I could be bothered to play through the whole thing again, but would gladly and happily watch someone else's efforts.
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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby davidb » Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:04 pm

SimonSideburns wrote:Are there any walkthroughs on any of the popular video sites?

I enjoyed playing the first level when a demo of the game appeared in The Micro User (I believe). I even have the disk still stashed away somewhere.

I don't think I could be bothered to play through the whole thing again, but would gladly and happily watch someone else's efforts.

It looks like SentinelProxima played the first level, but no further than that.

It's up to you to do a walkthrough, Simon! No excuses - you have the maps now! ;)

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Re: Clogger Maps

Postby streaks » Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:07 pm

Is SentinelProxima known here??

I used his voice from a youtube video to make an insane video. I messaged him but never got an answer.

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Postby geraldholdsworth » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:25 am

streaks wrote:Is SentinelProxima known here??


I've never seen him on here - I have spoken to him on a few occasions (he is one of the two people that has written the walkthroughs for Repton maps used on the Repton Resource Page).
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Postby Arcadian » Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:40 pm

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