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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby danielj » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:04 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:I've got a kryoflux too. When last i had it hooked up, the software was only capable of doing tracks with 10 x 256 sectors, which results in an SSD file. Also, there didn't seem to be so much support for a more simple approach, every dump needs to be analysed properly, which takes time. It's one reason why i decided to try transferring via FSD, which gives instant results ( subject to the actual emulation of the disk images being fixed :D )


Ah. There is more flexibility in the dumping now, but it won't (so far as I can tell) cope with odd sectors unless it's amiga discs. No, as I had some esoteric Victor 9000 discs to dump (which are CAV) and had started playing with archie ones I've started writing my own library which can be manipulated as anyone sees fit. Before a big hard drive crash I was just about generating APDs from the raw stream files - the directories showed up at least - needed some code to emulate the FDC's PLL effectively because bits were going missing here and there...

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:08 pm

Cheers Bill!! Just Hamil now :D
Come on Hackers...... I bet these are a piece of cake to crack 8)

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby billcarr2005 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:48 pm

Don't forget Hezarin... i think Arcadian FDI'd it, maybe :?

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:48 am

Ooh yeah forgot Hezarin..
Also forgot that Pernod has already deprotected Acheton and Return to doom on his Adventure game disks. **Thanks Pernod**
So maybe he knows how to de-protect the other FSD's :D
Is that a challenge I have just laid down?? 8)

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:32 pm

leenew wrote:Also forgot that Pernod has already deprotected Acheton and Return to doom on his Adventure game disks. **Thanks Pernod**
So maybe he knows how to de-protect the other FSD's :D
Is that a challenge I have just laid down?? 8)

The notes in the loaders confirm that I did them back in '88, and they weren't difficult. I haven't done anything like this for over 20 years so will need to refresh myself with Exmon II. Will try to find some time to look at them over the next few days, unless someone else does them first!
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:55 pm

Aaaah yes, we are all older and definitely not wiser when it comes to the stuff we did 20 years ago :lol:
But =D> for accepting the challenge.
And of course, it is open to anyone :D
I wish I knew what I was doing sometimes........ :?

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:21 pm

Unfortunately I can't do much without some fixes to FSDBeebEm as I can't mount a blank disc in drive 1 to copy the large (120k +) data files.
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby billcarr2005 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:04 pm

Yes, that's what's preventing me from attempting it too :(

:P

(Although files can be saved from memory in the debugger)

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:20 pm

@Bill or Pernod,
Did we ever get confirmation that the Topologika files in the Electron archive are exactly the same as the Beeb ones?? If so, would those help?

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:44 pm

leenew wrote:Did we ever get confirmation that the Topologika files in the Electron archive are exactly the same as the Beeb ones?? If so, would those help?

They will be different since the Beeb versions are in MODE7. Are the contents of the DVD freely available anywhere?
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:03 pm

I am not sure they are freely available. I think it is distributed complete on a paid DVD now?
Hmmmm..... is there a way of making a real floppy from what you have?? :?

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby billcarr2005 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:53 pm

I think i might have a version of that DVD in a drawer somewhere. I'll try to find it and compare the files. Not sure whether Dave E would be happy with the files being shared out, although it's a grey area in legality i suppose.
Yes, in theory it should be possible to transfer the disks back to a standard BBC. It's not something i've considered, since i'm mainly interested in archiving my disks without the need for modifications to get them running under emulation.

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Arcadian » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:11 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:Don't forget Hezarin... i think Arcadian FDI'd it, maybe :?

Sorry, I don't have an FDI for Hezarin. :(

It was about 7/8 years ago when I FDI'd the Topologika discs, but from memory, despite what the packaging for Last Days of Doom stated, there wasn't any content on either the reverse - or Drive 2 - of the disc, nor were any additional disc(s) [containing Hezarin] present.

I acquired my copy second hand during the last 10-15 years, so it's quite likely that the previous owner simply lost the disc. :(

I do have a disc/disc image for Last Days/Hezarin on RISC OS 2, mind! ;)
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:38 pm

Hi Pernod / Bill / Arcadian,
Any further progress with these? or will it be stalled until we have another technological breakthrough :D

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Arcadian » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:09 pm

Have sent Bill FDI images of all the discs I have - so any future cracking exploits will need to be left to the experts!

(N.B. Bill is on his hols at the moment, so I wouldn't expect any movement on the adventures till next week at the earliest! ;) ).
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:26 pm

Arcadian wrote:Have sent Bill FDI images of all the discs I have - so any future cracking exploits will need to be left to the experts!

If you send them to me I may have time over the weekend.
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:38 pm

Hi Pernod,
(Or Bill!)
Did Arcadian forward the adventures for De-protecting??
I still have high hopes of seeing all these on DSD. [-o<

Also, does anyone know a source for HEZARIN or KINGDOM OF HAMIL (Topologika of course) yet??

Thank you.

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:06 pm

leenew wrote:Hi Pernod,
(Or Bill!)
Did Arcadian forward the adventures for De-protecting??

No, not received anything.
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:50 pm

That's a shame :(

See if this makes up for it a little bit...
Just found this lurking in a not very interesting collection of stuff.

CH."GRUN" to start it.
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:59 am

And here is the player's guide.
It's a PDF so rename from ZIP to PDF please

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Samwise » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:38 am

Giantkiller was also written by Peter Killworth, author of Countdown to Doom. I remember getting the chance to chat to him on the phone and by email, before he sadly passed away. He was a great chap.

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Hi Samwise,
I keep tying to buy Peter's book about writing adventure games, but I can never snag it at a reasonable price!

In the interim, before we get these Topologika adventures onto DSD's (Oh yes we will :D ), Do the disk versions of the Acornsoft version of these adventures exist in the archive anywhere? the ones that came on disk and so I assume will be able to save position to disk?

Philosopher's Quest, Sphinx Adventure, Castle Of Riddles, Countdown To Doom, Kingdom Of Hamil, Gateway To Karos, The Seventh Star, Acheton, Quondam, and not forgetting Spooky Manor.

I know there are some hacks of the tape versions floating around, but I would prefer the disk versions (de-protected?).

Ta.
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:55 pm

My disc version of Acornsoft's Acheton can be found here.

I suspect all other titles that I have will be the tape versions.
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:57 pm

Cheers P.
One down, 9 to go :D

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:35 pm

leenew wrote:Cheers P.
One down, 9 to go :D

And others are still protected at Acorn Preservation Project.
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:13 pm

Hi Pernod,
Downloaded Acheton, Countdown To Doom, Kingdom Of Hamil, Philosopher's Quest, and Sphinx Adventure from the Acorn preservation site.
They are .FDI's.
Needless to say, I can't use them :D

Can anyone de-protect 'em to DSD?

(Cannot upload here as they are 8MB in total, so follow Pernod's link of you are interested!)

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby billcarr2005 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:33 pm

I'm unsure if Castle of Riddles, Gateway to Karos and The Seventh Star were ever released on disk, in that i've never seen them on eBay and they don't appear on Acorn Preservation. All of the others, i've got on original disk & FSD :)

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby leenew » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:49 pm

Oh you tease :lol:
How much work is it to deprotect and DSD / SSD these Bill.
(Surely easy for a code God such as yourself 8)

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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Pernod » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:44 am

I've tried the above fdi's in B-em and only Acheton and Kingdom of Hamil actually work. Are the files bad or is it an emulation issue, can anyone confirm?
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Re: Topologika Adventures

Postby Rich Talbot-Watkins » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:38 am

I think it's an emulation issue - it's a certain 'flavour' of Acornsoft protection which doesn't work on B-Em, though I can't remember the details right now. Perhaps Tom knows what's up with those.


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