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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby Pernod » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:19 pm

leenew wrote:Do you have any sort of list of your games disks to save me a bit of typing??
Disk Number or title / game title / publisher would be great :D

Each post in the archive submissions with a disk attached has a copy/paste of the contents from the actual menu on the disk.
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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby Michael Brown » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:35 pm

Hi Lee,

With regard to Wet Zone, the version I used was released for the BBC by a company called Everiss and the Electron version was released later by Tynesoft.

There is also a demo with slightly different graphics floating around as I believe the games was originally going to be released by Imagine Software who did it on other formats IIRC.

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Postby leenew » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:52 pm

Removed WETZONE and SYNCRON as being too fast as they are obviously not errors 8)
Removed BANDITS by oaksoft. - My error - EXCEL must have automatically pasted AT 3'OCLOCK after I typed BANDITS.... anyway .... it's gone now :D


@Michael
I will keep an eye out for the Everiss version :shock:

@Pernod

Cheers for reminding me of that :D
I will start by copy / pasting / parsing the 11 Arcade game disks I think....

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Postby Pernod » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:06 pm

Michael Brown wrote:There is also a demo with slightly different graphics floating around as I believe the games was originally going to be released by Imagine Software who did it on other formats IIRC.

It was originally released in 1982 on the Spectrum as Arcadia.
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Postby Michael Brown » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:16 pm

That right Pernod and I just remembered Arcadia is on one of my Alternative disks with a old Imagine loader pasted onto it as a reminder of what could of been and also IIRC someone who worked at Imagine left and formed Everiss and may have taken the title with him.

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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby Arcadian » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:08 pm

Bruce Everiss published the BBC version of Arcadia (Wet Zone) himself after Imagine collapsed.

I had a good chat with him about the release at the 2011 Replay event, where he was a guest speaker on the Imagine panel.

A tonne of original copies of BBC Wetzone sprung up on eBay a few years ago. The only time I've ever seen copies available; fortunately I managed to snag a couple! :)

It had a pretty basic sepia-coloured inlay IIRC ...
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Postby Pernod » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:23 pm

Arcadian wrote:A tonne of original copies of BBC Wetzone sprung up on eBay a few years ago. The only time I've ever seen copies available; fortunately I managed to snag a couple! :)

So the Beeb version was released by Everiss and the Tynesoft release was Electron only?
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Postby Arcadian » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:39 pm

Affirmative.
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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby billcarr2005 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:07 pm

leenew wrote:
S.W.R. REQUIRED

Disk MB027, and Disk MI3: program DOCTOR WHO AND THE MINES OF TERROR
Disk MB040: program EXILE DISC VERSION
Disk MB059: program INDOOR SPORTS loads then REBOOTS the computer
Disk VA2: program SYSTEM WADGEBURY asks for a filename.


Dr Who originally needed a ROM inside the BBC, so other versions should be considered unofficial (except the Master version!)
Exile detects the presence of sideways RAM, and asks to use it accordingly - but who wouldn't?
I think Indoor Sports appears on Pernod's disks... If this version still doesn't work, I have a hacked disc version here.
System Wadgebury requires the level pack to be loaded. Can't remember the filenames offhand, and can't check, but I think *. will reveal the obvious files :)

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Postby leenew » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:54 pm

@Bill
After a couple of attempts I can reveal that the files SYSTEM WADGEBURY wants are SCR1 SCR2 SCR3 or SCR4 :D
Removed!

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Postby leenew » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:48 am

Hi,
Incorporated Pernod's 60 Games disks into the list, taking it to over 5,700 entries :o
Also tidied up a bit...

BBC Disc And Tapes.zip
(660 KiB) Downloaded 68 times


**rename to .XLS please

Had a quick go at testing some of Pernod's disks.
Oooh, before I get to the results, just to mention I have named them as follows:

Pernod's magazine games: PEMAG
Pernod's maze games : PEMAZ
Pernod's acornsoft games: PEAC
Pernod's adventure games: PEAD
Pernod's war and flight sims: PEWAR
Pernod's superior software : PESU
Pernod's arcade games : PEAR
Pernod's micropower games : PEMP
Pernod's modified games : PEMOD
Pernod's platformer's : PEPLA
Pernod's space games : PESPA
Pernod's card and board games: PECA
Pernod's sport / olympic games: PESPO


So,
Had a quick go at testing these on the standard BEEB with DFS 1.20 but using an internal datacentre to load the games.



Disk PEAC01 program ARCADE ACTION gives a SYNTAX ERROR AT LINE 1 on an OLD command! don't know why??

Disk PEAC01 programs CAROUSEL and HOPPER have corrupted loading screens with *DTRAP set but are fine with it off.... again, not sure why?

Disk PEAC01 program FREEFALL menu says SPACE FREEFALL
Disk PEAC01 program JCB DIGGER has no loading tune.

Disk PEAC02 all loaded fine.

Disk PEAD01 all loaded fine.

Disk PEAD02 program ZOR'S REVENGE: RING OF TIME PART II, menu says RING OF TIME

Disk PEAD02 programs ADVENTURE QUEST, GIDEON'S GAMBLE, KINGDOM OF HAMIL, and THE SAGE OF ERIK THE VIKING all crash with the *DTRAP on but load fine without it, and again, I am not sure why.

Disk PEAD03 all loaded fine.

Well that's the first 5....
I am not going to list any more naming issues with Pernod's disks because of the Menu type he has used, the names have to be shortened anyway so this would be pointless I think.

Onto the next 5 :D
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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby Pernod » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:47 pm

leenew wrote:I am not going to list any more naming issues with Pernod's disks because of the Menu type he has used, the names have to be shortened anyway so this would be pointless I think.

Exactly, many titles are truncated so that I could get as many as possible into two columns.

What does *DTRAP do? Those that fail are probably expecting PAGE to be &1900.
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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby CMcDougall » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:58 pm

Pernod wrote:What does *DTRAP do?

i think it traps all *DISC commands and then just ignores them, am i right Mark RC :?:
may also trap *TAPE to ignore too :?

certain MartinB's UPURS CFS also does this to ignore the *DISC/TAPE 8)

fail are probably expecting PAGE to be &1900.

yeah, try PAGE=&1900, *EXEC !boot /CH."menu" as you mensioned DataCentre sets to 1700
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Postby leenew » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:48 pm

More Pernod Reults:

Disk PEAD04 program SWORDS AND SORCERY does not load (LOOKS TO DISK)
Disk PEAD05 program SECRET SAM 1 the cursor is on
Disk PEAD 06 program SURVIVOR does not load with DTRAP on
Disk PEAD07 program SECRET DIARY OF ADRIAN MOLE AGED 13 3/4 does not load
Disk PEAD08 program SEA ADVENTURE crashes / locks up
Disk PEAD09 program DODGY GEEZERS PART 1 crashes with DTRAP on
Disk PEAD10 all OK

that's the adventures out of the way.
Onto the 11 Arcade disks..

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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby leenew » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:52 pm

@Pernod,
Col is spot on about the DTRAP command.
It cures more than it breaks but in these instances I think it is just the PAGE setting that is throwing the relocations.
Any 'problems' that say DOES NOT LOAD WITH DTRAP SET load absolutely fine with PAGE at &1900 or DTRAP off.
Just the ones that say DOES NOT LOAD, does not load either with it on or off.

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Postby Pernod » Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:57 pm

Been looking over the Excel sheet and noticed quite an important piece of information missing, whether the game is the tape or disk version. Recommend adding a Source column containing Tape/Disk/Typed (for magazine type-ins).
I could probably quickly add this information for most of my disks.
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Postby leenew » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:01 pm

Hi,
That would be great Pernod.
Will add the column now, however, I am not sure (apart from the odd few that already mention that they are the disk version) how to be sure what they are??
If MB could chime in, and anyone involved with the STH disk collection that would be appreciated.
I will fill in what I can now......

Is it OK to use D for disk C for cassette and T for typed? then I can use 1 letter only :D
Thanks. :D

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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby Michael Brown » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:24 pm

Hi Lee,

In my excel sheet some games are listed as Disk Version next to the name.

also some say disc edit where they are edited for disk from tape copies like Lode Runner.

if you check over to the right there are other variables used.

uef - means copied entirely from tape image.
HV - Hybrid Version, loaders from tape image, main game from disk hack.
CCD - Copied from a copied disk hack.

any game that is left blank or has CCD still needs checking against a original tape copy (when and if they become available to us!).

Hope this helps
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Postby leenew » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:56 pm

Yep, Cheers Mick,
I will go through your original lists that you posted.
I have taken:
ACORN COMPUTING, ACORN PROGRAMS, ACORN USER, BEEBTAPE, BEEBUG, C&VG, COMPUTER GAMER, DISK USER, ELECTRON COMPUTING, ELECTRON USER GROUP, ELECTRON USER, ELK ADVENTURE CLUB, GAMES COMPUTING, GAMES MASTER, HOME COMPUTER WEEKLY, LET'S COMPUTE!, MICRO USER, MODEL B COMPUTING, PERSONAL COMPUTER GAMES, PERSONAL COMPUTER NEWS, PRACTICAL COMPUTING, PUBLIC DOMAIN, TSB MAGIC MICRO CLUB, and YOUR COMPUTER
ALL as type in's?? correct? or not?
Here is first draft anyway (and the most up to date list)

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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby Michael Brown » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:14 pm

Hi Lee,

Public Domain - bit of a vague one that is.

I have used the term Public Domain mainly where I have aquired a game from someone on a copied disk and cannot find any details within the code of the author or software house or any mention in a magazine or now via the internet.

Since collecting my original games I have been able to use various internet sites to correctly identify the Software House or Magazine publisher for many games that I used to call Public Domain.

The games left now in my excel sheet with Public Domain at the side are of unknown origin, however, it is possible that some may have been on special edition magazine tapes and disks or may have been pre-releases of games that were then issued with different titles like Pyramid became Crypt Capers etc etc.

Maybe at some point we can have a list of all unknown games and someone out there (possibly a forum member that may have even wrote it) may be able to shed light on them.

Also it may be an idea to list games that were issued by different software houses under different titles like Merry Xmas Santa from Icon being re-issued as Santa's Delivery by Tynesoft.

One last important issue is where games have been typed in from magazines incorrectly but a original tape or disc copy issued by the magazine has now become available so errors that occured during typing can be rectified.

That should keep you busy Lee!

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Postby leenew » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:19 pm

:shock:
Jesus, just when you think you are making good progress..... :lol:

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Postby Pernod » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:54 pm

I've marked most of mine with a C, D, or T. Will have to take a closer look at some of the more recent stuff as I don't remember.
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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby CMcDougall » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:17 pm

leenew wrote:PROBLEMS WITH Michael Brown's Disks -Disk 050 DRAUGHTS thinking....thinking forever??

just checked the archive, and the Program Power version
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PS Acid Drops should be with me on Tues+, but doubt anything new on it :?
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Postby leenew » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:02 pm

Cheers Mr. McD :D but you are out of date with your info :cry:
In a later post I re-checked all the problems on MB's disks, doing a power off-on before testing every one.
It cured quite a lot..... including that one :D
Get the latest list!! (which will already be out of date :lol: )
Glad someone is still interested tho!!

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Postby leenew » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:50 am

Results for the first 5 of Pernod's Arcade Disks

Disk PEAR01: Pole Position and Screwball do not load

Disk PEAR02: Eagle's Wing, the loader screen seems a bit low

Disk PEAR03: Jump Jet, small amount of graphics corruption (top left)

Disk PEAR04: All OK

Disk PEAR05: All OK

next 5 when I get a minute...

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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby leenew » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:25 pm

Results for the last 6 of Pernod's Arcade Disks:

Disk PEAR06 All OK

Disk PEAR07 Arkanoid loads wrong game (KO Editor)
Big KO loads wrong game (Big KO Editor)
Rik the Roadie loads wrong game (KO Editor)
Tarzan loads wrong game (KO editor)

Disk PEAR08 Grabit does not load (file not on disk?)

Disk PEAR09 All OK

Disk PEAR10 Circus Games either does not load with DTRAP off (looks to disk) or with it on, has graphics corruption.
Hobgoblin and Hobgoblin2 do not load (Files not on disk??)
Shadowfax crashes on loader screen with syntax error. If game is loaded directly, it locks up after a while.
Shanghai Warriors does not load (files not on disk?)


Disk PEAR11 E-Type, Licence to kill and Stormcycle do not load (Files not on disk??)

Paranoid asks for Password??

That's the arcade disks out of the way!

Can Pernod confirm the ones that do not load??
It looks like some of the files are missing????
In fact, can you confirm/deny ANY of the problems :D

Card and Board games when I get a minute.....

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Re: STH 143 Disc compilation Excel list - Thoughts??

Postby Pernod » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:44 pm

leenew wrote:Can Pernod confirm the ones that do not load??
It looks like some of the files are missing????
In fact, can you confirm/deny ANY of the problems :D

Will take a look this evening, it could be a bad dump of the floppy for most of them but will check.
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Postby leenew » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:45 pm

Why Thank you my good man :D

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Postby leenew » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:42 pm

One for Mick Brown,
Mick, on your software list excel sheet, what does (E) and (P) mean??
I take it (E) is electron version, but some of the Disk menus don't mention an (E) when the list does??
Cheers.
Lee.

**Just incorporating the source (DISK / CASSETTE / HYBRID etc) into my list.
I think type-in is going to be a tricky one to define.
Some mention OD (original disk) for magazine games. Is this right??

Ta again :D

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Postby Pernod » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:19 pm

leenew wrote:I think type-in is going to be a tricky one to define.
Some mention OD (original disk) for magazine games. Is this right??

Ta again :D

If it's an original cover disk I would give it a 'D'.
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