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Postby CMcDougall » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:32 pm

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had this on tape BITD from a compilation
tried my tape to disc hack & STH disc
they both 'crash' after you match more four cards, sometimes 10....

when it crashes, the music just goes all funny and the pointer goes away :(

only game my youngest daughter plays for more than 1min :roll:

tried from just disc with all other roms off , same :evil:

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Postby CMcDougall » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:12 pm

^ It does same...

sometimes does it with just 2 cards matched...

works from my tape 'audiogenic' , says 'Icon' on STH
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Postby Pernod » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:20 pm

I used to really enjoy this game, so try the version from my disc http://stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=5234&p=48289#p48287. If it doesn't work then must be a quirk with your setup.
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby CMcDougall » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:42 pm

^will give a go, cheers N (works further so far on All Emu's :wink: )
lurkio wrote:Have you tried this?

just tried both on emulator (BeebEm414 1770 2.26DFS &bEm22) before putting to MMC card, to try on that, then actual disc.
both fail in Emu :shock:
I did see Bad Program wizz round before it went away, and REPORT & P.ERL shows nothing on Aud/ReR :?
on Icon version shows Disc Err18 at line10

my tape rip was from the 'Complete BBC - Audiogenic" : viewtopic.php?f=32&t=5023#p66848

what is it with Icon & Audiogenic games lately, being BugEyes :Starman V Zelda :roll:
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby lurkio » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:07 pm

lurkio wrote:Have you tried this?:
http://bbcmicro.co.uk/game.php?id=223

That works for me in Windows BeebEm 4.14 in Model B mode with DFS 1.20 (DNFS) and no other ROMs.

Also works in JSBeeb.

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Postby sweh » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:09 pm

My copy from BITD is here: http://www.stardot.org.uk/forums/viewto ... lip#p46104 (IIRC, this is one I converted from tape to disc myself, but I could easily be misremembering).

It _seems_ to run in BeebEm, and in my real Beeb.

I remember, even back then, that this was one of those "sensitive" games. Sometimes would crash for no reason, other times would work perfectly. I found it more reliable when run from a cold-boot.
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby CMcDougall » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:16 pm

Pernod wrote:I used to really enjoy this game, so try the version from my disc .

just put it to it's own .SSD, fails to load if Shift-Break to !boot with */-.FLIP
but use */-.FLIP from Basic, it works :-k
sweh wrote:I remember, even back then, that this was one of those "sensitive" games. Sometimes would crash for no reason, other times would work perfectly. I found it more reliable when run from a cold-boot.

Spot on Stephen =D> , sounds about right here too, on BeebEm414

just done 20 matching cards (with Nigel's), then it 'haulted' [-( ](*,)
EDIT2: sweh, haults aswell :|

*maybe* needs a ?&800=&80 in the loader to do a 'cold-boot' like EagleEmpire game...
EDIT1... still does it :-s

below is a save state IF any use... :?:
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby ctr » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:51 pm

This is the conversion I did bitd. I was able to complete a game using beebem (and 46 tries :oops:).
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby CMcDougall » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:15 pm

ctr wrote:This is the conversion I did bitd

:^o it says 2011 CTR in the !Boot :-s
weird, it crashed on mine after 8 cards :x

maybe this never worked properly BITD 1985, and it was just a fluke that it 'sometimes' worked from tape :-k
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby ctr » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:27 pm

CMcDougall wrote:
ctr wrote:This is the conversion I did bitd

:^o it says 2011 CTR in the !Boot :-s


Caught red-handed! I did the disk conversion back in the 80s with multiple games per disk. In 2004 I transferred all the disks to ssd files and in 2011 I rearranged them with one ssd per game, but whatever butchery I did to the games themselves is unchanged. I used the same boot file for all the new ssds and that was new in 2011.

But back to Flip! I just played through another single player game and it worked fine though I've never tried a two player game. I don't know what's up.

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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby CMcDougall » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:53 pm

^Maybe you have hit the nail on the head, as BITD (1986ish :wink: ) I always played with myself... :shock: :lol:

Recently after my daughter finished Grannys Garden 8) she then found Flip! , so have been using the two player version of it, & hence the music wonky freezing :x

So, maybe the single player is more reliable, so when it asks for 2nd name entry press Return (says practice at bottom) & that *should* make it work...

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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby CMcDougall » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:05 pm

me wrote:maybe the single player is more reliable

still fails :-&
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby vanekp » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:54 am

Odd as as I played it the other day to completion on Beebem with no problems, it was with the tape version of the game.
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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby ctr » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:01 pm

CMcDougall wrote:just tried both on emulator (BeebEm414 1770 2.26DFS &bEm22)

I hadn't noticed this detail previously. I'm using beebem with the 8271 and DFS 1.20.

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Re: Flip! - Icon

Postby CMcDougall » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:31 pm

my daughter had another go today, straight on from cold switch on,
using one player, & when two match, use full length of guess, ie "ABCDE" not just "Z"
and, she completed it :D
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