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Game categories

Postby leenew » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:29 pm

Hi,
Here is a list of games which I haven't categorised. http://bbcmicro.co.uk/index.php?rt_W=on&search=
The categories are:

From a Magazine
From a Book
Public Domain
Commercial Release
Alternative version of another game
Unreleased game.
New game (from the year 2000 onward)

Can anyone fit any of those games into any of those categories?
**Some say Public Domain... Ignore this for now!

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Re: Game categories

Postby Rich Talbot-Watkins » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:20 pm

Crazy Balloon needs a new category: "hoax".

Amongst various 'gems' in its BASIC listing:

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290 REM On entering this subroutine
        6502 procesor 'A','X' & 'Y'
        Registers should contain
        two's complement of the
        RAM used at compilation.


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330 REM Copyright Acornsoft
340 REM BASIC program to be
350 REM Compiled into
360 REM Object code
370 REM When John Coll
380 REM Agrees launch date
390 REM
400 REM Code : 3BALL113.1983 JAN


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495 ?112=96:CALL 112
496 ?TOP=96:CALL TOP


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2000DEF PROCFLOAT
2010 PRINT"                 "
2020 REM BALOON FLOATING ROUTINE
2030 BPOS=(SIN(X%)/2*Z5%^2):CPOS=(COS(X%)/2*Z5%^2):XPOS=(SIN(X%)/2*Z5%^3):YPOS=(COS(X%)/2*Z5%^2):YOURPOS=(SIN(X%)/2*Z5%^3):APOS=(COS(X%)/2*Z5%^2):MUGPOS=(SIN(X%)/2*Z5%^3)
2040 CONSOLODATE "LDA#11:CMP#4"
2050 *PASC L:REM PAGE TOP OF PROG(CONTAINS PASCAL INTERPRITER)INTO SOCKET3:OPT3[LDA #45:CMP 23:JSR 45597:\ROM MIXER ROUTINE:
2060 ON NO/CONSOLIDATE DO :
2070  LOOP
2080   BEGIN;
2090   WRITELN("GAME OVER")
2100  END
2110 WHILE
2120 ENDPROC


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2130 DEFPROCconservation
2140 PRINT"             "
2150 REM Conserves memory - thus allowing program to include more graphics
2160 DATA :DELETE:SPACE
2170 SEARCH
2180  UNTIL FOUND " "
2190 COMPARE":" THEN 'COLON'
2200 DELETE " ":COMPRESS ":"
2210 REPEAT WHILE DATA<TOP
2220 ENDPROC


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2230 DEFPROCbang
2240 PRINT"             "
2250 REM" DO NOT REMOVE THE FOLLOWING
2260 REM" PROGRAM LINES AS THIS IS"
2270 REM" LIABLE TO BE VERY DANGEROUS"
2280 REM
2290 PROCEDE :
2300  CONTINUE
2310   INTIMATE
2320      IF 5 5 + = 10 NEXT ELSE
2330 REPEAT
2340  (Wait for user generated event)
2350  WAIT - PICK(WAIT-TIME,SEGMENT-
      NAME)
2360 CASE SEGMENT OF
2370  1:YET DO
2380  2:OUT
2390  3:UNTIL
2400  4:
2410  5:TWIN DRIVE
2420  6:WINCHESTER
2430  7:INTERMIDIATE
2440  8:TRIP SWITCH ACTIVATED
2450 HEADCASE


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2560 DEFPROCrhyme
2570 PRINT'"Mary had a little lamb"
2580 PRINT"Whose fleece was white as snow,"
2590 PRINT"And everywhere that mary went"
2600 PRINT"The lamb was sure to go."
2620 ENDPROC


And finally, a procedure PROCINFO, which when called, outputs the following:

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DEAR FINDER OF THIS ROUTINE WELCOME TO
THE LAND OF MUGS WHO THOUGHT THAT THIS
WAS AN ACORNSOFT PRE-RELEASE INFACT IT
IS A COMPLETE INVENTION.
    SIGNED ANON (PROGRAM WRITER)


I'd love to know who did this and why, and how it found its way to STH.

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:33 pm

Ha! That's great Rich :D
Yeah.. I wonder who actually wrote it?

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Re: Game categories

Postby sydney » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:44 pm

I paid money for worse games than that. Licensed to kill for the electron is far worse.

Anyone want to try to beat my score?

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Re: Game categories

Postby Arcadian » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:54 pm

I'm glad you reposted this Rich! :)

When I switched the forum to phpbb and imported all the old posts from ezboard (way back in 2005) your 'revelation' about Crazy Balloon was one of 3 posts that failed the migration process ... IIRC the failures were due to one or more square brackets (" [ ") being contained within 'code' tags, which obviously the import script didn't like.

I've actually been meaning to ask you to retell the story for the last 12 years! #-o :lol:
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Re: Game categories

Postby Rich Talbot-Watkins » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:02 pm

Hats off to you for remembering it was me who first posted about it! (For curiosity, here's the only preserved reply to my original post :lol: )

Felt it was about time to give it another airing, I just needed an excuse :)

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:47 pm

For games that we cannot find a source for, is it fair to mark the status as "Public Domain" for now, and alter them as or when an author, publisher, or some release information is discovered?

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Re: Game categories

Postby lurkio » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:45 pm

leenew wrote:For games that we cannot find a source for, is it fair to mark the status as "Public Domain" for now, and alter them as or when an author, publisher, or some release information is discovered?

I'd say no, because you might then be classifying games wrongly. Why not just leave them as "Awaiting Categorisation", which will always be true?

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:00 pm

Hmm... I see what you are saying... but I hate things being in the "unknown" box :(

I will give it a few days, see if anyone identifies anything, then I will move onto the next category..... :D

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Re: Game categories

Postby Arcadian » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:18 pm

lurkio wrote:
leenew wrote:For games that we cannot find a source for, is it fair to mark the status as "Public Domain" for now, and alter them as or when an author, publisher, or some release information is discovered?

I'd say no, because you might then be classifying games wrongly.

Agree with this! ^^
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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:05 pm

OK, the master has spoken 8)
I will leave them all as "Awaiting Categorisation" until someone gives me ANY more information on those games.
I am sure quite a lot of them are magazine type-ins - it's just a case of finding them :wink:

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Re: Game categories

Postby joachim » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:00 pm

leenew wrote:OK, the master has spoken 8)
I will leave them all as "Awaiting Categorisation" until someone gives me ANY more information on those games.

The six AMF-Soft games (http://bbcmicro.co.uk/index.php?rt_W=on&search=AMF-Soft) are by Andrew Flintham who is still around: he propriets http://level7.org.uk/ which we discussed in the Exile disassembly thread.

Edit: reading that thread I linked, I see that the AMF-Soft games are all from BBC PD discs 19 and 28. So perhaps that's sufficient to conclude that they're Public Domain.

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Re: Game categories

Postby joachim » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:32 am

And Crystal Castle is a Lost-and-Found (that is, unreleased) game, as explained on the co-author's homepage here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150906044 ... index.html

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:16 am

Excellent joachim!
List updated: http://bbcmicro.co.uk/index.php?rt_W=on&search=

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:56 pm

3D Terror chase is a type in from a book.
Acorn Adventure, Hangdroid, Jouster, Sidefighter, Sphenisciformes, Tubes, West Quest all found on PD discs.
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Re: Game categories

Postby pau1ie » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:13 pm

I copied West Quest in the Cambridge Abug thread. The cover says PASE Software is the publisher.
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Re: Game categories

Postby iamaran » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:27 pm

"Long Forgotten Arabia" and "Red Button Game" are the sample adventures from the book Adventure Design Language (1986) by A. F. de Geus, J. H. Jongejan and A. M. Koelmans.

Pilgrim's Progress definitely a professional release by the Scripture Union:
http://www.retrogames.co.uk/017758/Commodore/Pilgrims-Progress-by-Scripture-Union

"Spooky House" is pretty much "Haunted House" by Usbourne, with graphics, as far as I can tell.

Artworx definitely made commercial strip poker games, if that helps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artworx

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Re: Game categories

Postby Pernod » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:03 am

iamaran wrote:Artworx definitely made commercial strip poker games, if that helps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artworx

Yes, but not in Europe, they were released by Anco. We know Strip Poke II+ was released by Anco but I've not seen this original Strip Poker before. I'd guess this is a home made conversion, looks very much like the C64 version, unless anyone knows otherwise.
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Re: Game categories

Postby joachim » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:51 am

"Executioner" was published in 8BS magazine, issue 24 (http://8bs.com/mag/mag24.htm) under the name "Intellectual Hangman". Also an updated version with more words was published in issue 31.

I found this out in the most ridiculous way: the program had me guess a "word" I've never seen before. Anxious to expand my vocabulary, I typed it into Google … and literally the only result was in the program listing at 8bs.com!

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:16 pm

OK. Updated "Long forgotten Arabia" and "Red button game".
Updated "Pilgrim's progress" and added "Scripture Union" as the publisher as I only had S.U. originally.
Spooky house... I have just changed the publisher to "Unknown" but left the release as "Awaiting categorisation".
Pending further info, I will leave the Strip Poker as it is.
I have added "Intellectual Hangman" as an AKA for Executioner, and changed the publisher to 8BS, and the release type to Magazine.

Thanks!
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Keep 'em coming :D

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Re: Game categories

Postby joachim » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:32 am

Haunted House by Usborne (http://bbcmicro.co.uk/game.php?id=2123) was mentioned upthread. I see two things to be updated about it:
  • As iamaran mentioned, Spooky House (http://bbcmicro.co.uk/game.php?id=1493) should probably be marked as a version of it since your database has that technology.
  • Haunted House (id 2124), which is already marked as a version of Haunted House (id 2123) but is of unknown origin, was published in 8BS issue 62 (http://8bs.com/mag/mag62.htm).
Also, I looked through games published in 8BS and spotted some that are classified as "PD / Self-published" on bbcmicro.co.uk. I don't know whether you want to change them to "8BS":

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:57 am

Thanks joachim,
I have updated those.
Keep 'em coming!
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p.s. I wonder if 8BS knew they were publishing an Usborne game?

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Re: Game categories

Postby joachim » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:38 am

leenew wrote:p.s. I wonder if 8BS knew they were publishing an Usborne game?

Doesn't seem like it. I missed this before, but since this is an 8BS publication we have the 8BS description text:
8BS issue 62 wrote:From: Jack Foster (E5N)
This is another game from Jack. Ideally suited to Junior School aged children. Jack has now several discs in the TBI pool that are well worth a look at.

So I guess that answers the question "who expanded it" that is still missing from the description on your site.

I see there are other games by Jack Foster on bbcmicro.co.uk already … which brings us to more uncategorized games we can solve! There are three Jack and Jill Software games on the site, all by Jack Foster and Jill Foster. Two are currently labelled "awaiting categorization", one is currently labelled "commercial". But the 8bs.com disc catalogue makes clear (see descriptions of TBI-124 and TBI-125) that all three were originally commercial, then subsequently 8BS was permitted to distribute them.

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Re: Game categories

Postby joachim » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:06 am

Super Fruit (http://bbcmicro.co.uk/game.php?id=1456) was published in Acorn User December 1983 pp.37–39 as part of an article on graphics by Joe Telford. The bbcmicro.co.uk disc image is slightly different from the published version — renumbered, and the REM crediting the author is missing (naughty). Could be a prerelease version but my guess is it's someone's type-in.

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Re: Game categories

Postby leenew » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am

Thanks again joachim!
I have updated those. **I am still not sure how to categorise that "Haunted House"? maybe book would still be the best bet?
I will try to find an original version of "Super Fruit" to replace ours.

List Updated http://www.bbcmicro.co.uk/index.php?rt_W=on&search=

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