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huge BIG pictures......

Postby CMcDougall » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:34 pm

is there a way to automatically turn off MASSIVE pics?
this thread :
http://www.stardot.org.uk/forums/viewto ... f=7&t=6697
just keeps crashed my win8 laptop all the time :twisted:

the pics say >1.4mb, got fast broadband etc
or is it just because win8 is crap :lol:

now I can't read anything in it. :(

I usually just post a link to massive pics, so if peeps want to see they
can click it, and not forced to see a full screen of pic they probably
don't want to see in a thread :)
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby nOmArch » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:56 pm

No issue with the thread on Win 7 x64 with Firefox 23 or IE10.

I don't have a Win8 machine in the house so I can't test that I'm afraid.
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby CMcDougall » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:02 pm

nOmArch wrote:I don't have a Win8 machine in the house

you are lucky! =D> utter pain having to go through the file explorer and c:\progs (x86) to find everything [-( , as no Start on bottom left :-s

on Firefox23.01 too, will try my decent winXP PC next time it's on.
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby sydney » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:26 pm

Just tried it on my terrible smartphone, a samsung galaxy ace, and it worked fine. I think there could be something wrong with your win 8 pc.

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby flaxcottage » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:02 pm

Win 8 [-X
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Samwise » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:05 pm

Sorry for not replying to this sooner, but I have a Windows 8 laptop myself and tested when you first posted - it copes with that topic OK.

As I'm sure you're aware - the issue is basically because we permit users to post rather images with a large filesize. This is a conscious decision because if someone is posting a scan of a circuit board diagram or a picture of a PCB etc. then it can be important for people to be able to read small details in the image (or if people want something to be archived for posterity). We do have fixes in place which stop the images pushing the width of the topic far wider than the fixed width style of the forum, and make it awkward to read/look out ... but this doesn't reduce the actual size of the images themselves. This is so that if you need more detail, you can right click the image in question and request your browser to show it full size.

The problem you're experiencing is, of course, that your setup is choking on the large number of big images in that topic. As it sounds like you don't have a problem with your bandwidth, then it sounds like maybe your PC hardware isn't up to the task of coping with Windows 8 + browser smoothly. I guess downgrading to XP or moving to Linux might help on that PC, but that's a drastic fix.

We could put a limit on the size of image attachments, but I think most people would prefer the current setup. Of course, it's always good practice to reduce the file size of images you're posting so that they're no bigger than they need to be. :)

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Pernod » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:15 pm

When I posted the images to the thread I would've preferred them to be as attachments rather than shown inline. The option to not show inline when posting doesn't seem to work.
In phpBB 'Attachment settings' there is an option 'Display images inline'. If this is set to Yes then I believe they are always shown. Maybe worth looking into this and even selecting the 'Create thumbnail' option.
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Samwise » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:39 pm

Ooh...

Now you learn something new every day!

Spot on, Pernod - I hadn't noticed that option.

I've just enabled it ... you can see now that the images are available as links rather than actually shown.

Though, there don't appear to be any thumbnails ... will have to a look at that.

In the meantime, is everyone happy with that change?

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Arcadian » Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:25 pm

Yes, definitely happy with the change!

And if thumbnails can be shown that would be the icing on the cake!
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby hoglet » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:57 pm

Hmmm, not sure I like the change at all.

It feels like a big step backwards not to be able to see any images in a thread unless you explicitly click on each and every one.

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Pernod » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:22 pm

hoglet wrote:It feels like a big step backwards not to be able to see any images in a thread unless you explicitly click on each and every one.

When posting images you have a choice of attachment or inline.
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby hoglet » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:25 pm

Pernod wrote:When posting images you have a choice of attachment or inline.


I have always placed them in line, yet even these are now presented as just links.

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby hoglet » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:28 pm

In fact, the only images now showing are those linked to on other sites with [img] tags. The "Today I have Received" thread is very dull now.

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Samwise » Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:12 pm

The behaviour for new images is what I think everyone would prefer - it creates a thumbnail for bigger pictures and resizes them down to fit in the forum nicely, but you can click on the link to go through to the full size picture.

Unfortunately, it's not retrospective - so all old images will show as text links ... and I don't think there's any easy way around that. :/

You can manually edit old posts and re-upload the images, which will then generate a thumbnail but it's not really practical on a large scale.

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:02 pm

Okay, do we need to do some fun raising to buy a TARDIS so that Sam can go back in time to change the settings in the past? :lol:

Having to click on images in posts posted prior to today is most annoying. But at least the pages load quicker on my smartphone :wink:

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby hoglet » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:22 pm

I've just gone back and update the RTTY thread:
http://www.stardot.org.uk/forums/viewto ... f=3&t=7036

Only another 20ish to go :lol:

Maybe I'll try to do one a day.

Is there really no way to run a script on the server to regenerate the missing proxies?

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Samwise » Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:34 am

@Mark, yep, I feel quite annoyed that I didn't notice this option when I was solving the problem of excessively wide images a couple of years ago. As it's not retrospective, I would still have needed to make the theme fixes that I did back then, but at least all subsequent images would have been thumbnailed.

@Dave, unfortunately it's not quite as trivial as it might first appear. It's more than just creating a bunch of thumbnails, you also have to poke around in the database's attachments table. As rebuilding thumbnails isn't built into phpBB by default (a number of users think it should have been), it would require a MOD but so far noone has built one despite several requests over the past few years (e.g. this one).

I'm not exactly fluent in php so I'm a bit wary about trying to homebrew something. :/

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:41 am

Samwise wrote:The behaviour for new images is what I think everyone would prefer - it creates a thumbnail for bigger pictures and resizes them down to fit in the forum nicely, but you can click on the link to go through to the full size picture.


This works fine for JPEG file types but for PNG you do not get a thumbnail, just a link :evil:
Same problem with the same image when I converted to a GIF file :evil:
See viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7109&p=71543#p71543

Are there any more settings to have a play with?

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Ignore the conclusion reached above, it appears the size is the variable that effects if the forum generates a thumbnail or a link. See here
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby pstnotpd » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:47 am

Samwise wrote:This works fine for JPEG file types but for PNG you do not get a thumbnail, just a link


Ah! I was wondering why png files don't show up anymore.....

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby Samwise » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:50 am

Yeah, this needs further investigation. I'm away this weekend, but will endeavour to look at it again on Sunday night.

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby richardtoohey » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:51 am

Same here - guessed I was doing something wrong but didn't work it out. :-?

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby retroclinic » Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:59 pm

Ahh ok, didn't realise this thread had got onto this topic - so ignore my other topic on the subject.

The idea of text only links is not good, especially as they come up as a download when you click them. Thumbnails isn't a bad idea, as long as when you click them, the picture pops up in a new tab or window, then if you want to download it, you just right click. That would be my preference anyway.

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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby 1024MAK » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:47 pm

Size has an effect

It appears the size is the variable that affects if the forum generates a thumbnail or a link. See here
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby retroclinic » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:02 pm

Hmm, so it has to be big to generate the thumbnail? That seems backwards to me?
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Re: huge BIG pictures......

Postby sweh » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:47 pm

retroclinic wrote:Hmm, so it has to be big to generate the thumbnail? That seems backwards to me?

I'm guessing that the forum should normally generate thumbnails for images over a certain size, or inline smaller images but either we've got a setting wrong or there's a bug :-)
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