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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sat May 13, 2017 12:18 pm

Copter Dogfight. (The Micro User Vol 2 no 12).
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sat May 13, 2017 1:39 pm

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Special Advance Issue

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sat May 13, 2017 2:05 pm

Daco Software

The Storyine

Educational computer
program for the
BBC microcomputer

(C) Daco Software 1983
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sat May 13, 2017 2:30 pm

Great stuff, Paul! Thanks! (Don't stop! :wink: [-o< )

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Postby pau1ie » Sat May 13, 2017 3:48 pm

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby sydney » Sat May 13, 2017 5:11 pm

Contents of box sw31.
Data tapes from trivial pursuit seem to be in a format we cant easily put on disk so paul is attempting to caputre the audio.
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sat May 13, 2017 6:00 pm

sydney wrote:Contents of box sw31.

Thanks!

=D> =D>

sydney wrote:Data tapes from trivial pursuit seem to be in a format we cant easily put on disk so paul is attempting to caputre the audio.

Good luck!

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby CMcDougall » Sat May 13, 2017 7:06 pm

me wrote:
Trivial Pursuits

ive got a double disc of that too, was easy to copy, but thought was already this:
http://www.stairwaytohell.com/filesearc ... rch=Search

just got my Game & Data disc off using MMFS IDTOM program to get from 51/4" to SD card, it works in 'card',
but can't now get it off using the MMB imager, don't know if Win10 update yesterday has knackered this program,
or something else :roll:
TPdisc game0 data0.png
scr

have fun with those tapes, as much as I do :D :lol:
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby billcarr2005 » Sat May 13, 2017 7:40 pm

The original disk (that I've got, at least) loads the main program / title screen using OSWORD &7F shenanigans and also has an unformatted track to decide 40 or 80 track mode, when then switches to drive 2 for the DAT files.
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sat May 13, 2017 8:04 pm

Inlay for both sets of trivial pursuit. Tape side 1 might follow, but it is 1/2 hours worth, so might be too big.
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sat May 13, 2017 8:30 pm

Question data cassette Blue side 1, which is for young people if I remember correctly.
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sun May 14, 2017 10:17 am

pau1ie wrote:Daco Software .. The Storyine ... Educational computer program for the BBC microcomputer ... (C) Daco Software 1983

Many thanks for this.

I've hacked it so that it merrily spews out its gibberish stories without waiting for user input:


    Untitled 2.png
    Storyline screenshot

I say "gibberish", but that's not fair because this was the state of the art in procedural text generation software (in 1983 (on the Beeb (for a couple of weeks))).

A review here:

:idea:

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 10:25 am

Has anyone been able to make sense of the data? Here are the rest of the Trivial Pursuit question data:

Blue side 2
Red

Blue is: Trivial Pursuit Young Players Edition BBC B Micro Range Now B+ and Master Compatible side 2.

Red is: Trivial Pursuit Baby Boomer Edition BBC B Micro Range

I will upload a photo in a minute (Waiting for the next box)...
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sun May 14, 2017 10:38 am

pau1ie wrote:Has anyone been able to make sense of the data?

I had a quick look at the Blue question tape and converted it to CSW, and BeebEm recognises it as data of some sort, but can't load or *CAT it. :(

Can u upload the Blue game tape (the main game program) -- if it exists -- so we can see if it loads in BeebEm and knows how to load the question data itself? (Whenever it's convenient for you. Not necessarily today.)

:?:
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 10:39 am

Pictures of Trivial Pursuit boxes and cassettes. (The missing cassette was being copied)
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 10:42 am

lurkio wrote:Can u upload the Blue game tape (the main game program)

Simon already uploaded it yesterday - box-sw31.zip. It is tp-young-player.ssd
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sun May 14, 2017 11:01 am

pau1ie wrote:
lurkio wrote:Can u upload the Blue game tape (the main game program)

Simon already uploaded it yesterday - box-sw31.zip. It is tp-young-player.ssd

Ah! I've got the main program to run now, but it can't seem to make sense of what I've done to convert the question data tape to .CSW. This is all in BeebEm though. I've never been able to get WAV audio data played into a real Beeb. Can anyone else..?

:?:
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sun May 14, 2017 11:23 am

Ah, wait! I do seem to have got the audio playing into my Master now (from laptop, first converted to mono 8-bit WAV), having first loaded the Young Player .SSD disc image via DataCentre!

And it does seem to be readable question data in your WAV file for Blue Side 1. (Or at least the game seems to correctly load and display questions, which it couldn't before when I was working solely in BeebEm, probably because I'd mangled the question tape WAV file, trying to convert it to CSW.)

=D> =D> =D>

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sun May 14, 2017 11:49 am

Red Side 1 (Baby Boomer edition) question data seems good too! (I didn't even have to convert the WAV in any way. I'm just using the VLC app on my Mac laptop to play the WAV. I've plugged an earphone-size audio lead into the headphones socket of the laptop, and the other end of the lead is coupled to the Ear jack of the Beeb/Master cassette cable with a little male-to-male audio adapter thingy.)

=D> =D> =D>

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Hopefully this means that someone (called Col) will be able to convert the question audio data to UEF or CSW later.

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 1:32 pm

I just had box SW099, but wasn't able to get any software off it. The cassette for westquest played too slowly. I recovered some audio, maybe it will work? I think side B is blank. The cassette is joined by screws, so maybe someone can get it to work. Back in the day I would have transferred it to a good case.

Hereward and Whispy wood had corruptions on the disc. The catalogue would display but they wouldn't load on a Master. Hereward does claim to work on a master. Anyway, I copied the manuals.

Cover for westquest:
cover.jpg
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Cover for whispy wood
0001.jpg
- The rest is in the zip file.

Cover for hereward
outc1.jpg
the rest is on google drive

Westquest Audio It is dodgy, especially at the end where the cassette stops and I pressed stop and play to make it work. Hopefully it is past the end of the program,
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Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 1:32 pm

Waiting for another box...
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Postby billcarr2005 » Sun May 14, 2017 1:56 pm

pau1ie wrote:Hereward and Whispy wood had corruptions on the disc. The catalogue would display but they wouldn't load on a Master. Hereward does claim to work on a master. Anyway, I copied the manuals.


Data CRC errors?

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sun May 14, 2017 2:03 pm

billcarr2005 wrote:
pau1ie wrote:Hereward and Whispy wood had corruptions on the disc. The catalogue would display but they wouldn't load on a Master. Hereward does claim to work on a master. Anyway, I copied the manuals.

Data CRC errors?

I wonder if your FSDmaker prog would be able to help with that, BillC? Needs a Model B probably (8271 floppy controller, as you said).

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby lurkio » Sun May 14, 2017 2:13 pm

pau1ie wrote:I just had box SW099, but wasn't able to get any software off it. The cassette for westquest played too slowly. I recovered some audio, maybe it will work?

Can't get the audio file to load. Too many "Data?" and "Block?" errors and the filename is corrupting like crazy from block to block!

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Postby billcarr2005 » Sun May 14, 2017 2:15 pm

lurkio wrote:I wonder if your FSDmaker prog would be able to help with that, BillC? Needs a Model B probably (8271 floppy controller, as you said).

:?:


It's untested on a BBC Master / any BBC with 1770 disk controller, but so long as the disks are compatible, it might be able to read something off them - it's just the sector overread stuff that the 1770 can't manage!

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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 2:53 pm

From box SW164, mathemagical adventure. Retroclininc exportfs wouldn't work. I was hopeful that the xfer disc adfs would help, but the program won't run. There is some stuff on the disc image. There is a backup disc as well.

EDIT: The notes said this was a cassette, but it was a 40 track floppy disc, only formatted on one side.
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 2:57 pm

Also from box SW164 - Games of logic. Had more luck with this one, seems to be OK.
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby pau1ie » Sun May 14, 2017 3:03 pm

lurkio wrote:Can't get the audio file to load.


Yes, that is what I found, and is why I uploaded the audio. I copied the audio in the hope that someone clever could get something out of it.
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Re: The Cambridge ABug software hacking/archiving thread

Postby billcarr2005 » Sun May 14, 2017 3:29 pm

pau1ie wrote:From box SW164, mathemagical adventure.


!BOOT PAGE=&7000:CHAIN"MENU"

Which then decrypts the file based on values at F07 and F0F, part of the disc catalogue. Since it's not there, it's hard to figure out what it should be.

START seems to be altered every 40th byte.
ADV appears to be intact.
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