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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:40 pm

Ahem, I work for Xerox and I've never seen it before either. :oops:

The only thing it could be is that some models allow the setting of IP addresses through more than one protocol (not just DHCP) and allow for multiple IP's on the same interface (where the device is to be used on multiple subnets). It could be that win10 supports a protocol your previous OS didn't and gave the printer a new IP, however it shouldn't have stopped the old one from working on that basis.

If you're really curious I'll ask one of our tech specialists if they've come across it? :)
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:44 pm

Well I've seen my Windows 10 evaluation machine CRASH my Watchguard Firebox Edge X5w!!!

But then I've seen Windows 8 on a Microsoft Surface RT CRASH Zyxel routers being used as WiFi access points! Literally! It would connect then within a minute of the Surface connecting the Zyxel would crash then reboot! Every single time! I've never seen it before or since.
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby TopBanana » Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:15 am

george.h wrote:Well I've seen my Windows 10 evaluation machine CRASH my Watchguard Firebox Edge X5w!!!

But then I've seen Windows 8 on a Microsoft Surface RT CRASH Zyxel routers being used as WiFi access points! Literally! It would connect then within a minute of the Surface connecting the Zyxel would crash then reboot! Every single time! I've never seen it before or since.


Did it turn your heating up to full blast too, and turn off your fridge? Empty your bank account and nearly cause a nuclear meltdown at our local Essex nuclear power station ?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:57 am

TopBanana wrote:
george.h wrote:Well I've seen my Windows 10 evaluation machine CRASH my Watchguard Firebox Edge X5w!!!

But then I've seen Windows 8 on a Microsoft Surface RT CRASH Zyxel routers being used as WiFi access points! Literally! It would connect then within a minute of the Surface connecting the Zyxel would crash then reboot! Every single time! I've never seen it before or since.


Did it turn your heating up to full blast too, and turn off your fridge? Empty your bank account and nearly cause a nuclear meltdown at our local Essex nuclear power station ?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I leave such things to TalkTalk...... :lol: :lol: except I'm with TalkTalk :shock: :? :roll: for the moment! :wink:

Honest though it did! The Surface RT made an old Thomsom ST585 v6 router go loopy (when using it just as a WiFi access point), and caused a Zyxel P-660HW-T21 v2 (two of them) to start continually rebooting when it connected to them via WiFi. Again the old Zyxels were being pressed into service as cheap, dirty and quick access points, but they worked ok with everything BUT that Surface...
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:57 am

Speaking of TalkTalk and Windows 10, they both like to give your personal details out, voluntarily or otherwise.

Get a copy of DoNotSpy10 and turn of the things you don't want on (starting with the dreadful Cortana!) [-X
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby CMcDougall » Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:25 pm

george.h wrote:That is something they started doing a couple of years ago as an anti-piracy measure. The branded Windows re-install CD/DVD, It's a pain in the backside, but there it is.....

Thanks for the info George, still a pain, as just get key generators off those other forums :- 8-[ =;

just tried to record some 'tapes'(.WAV) from my beeb to the lappy, it was set at 34% input before, now it's 100%, and it's only about 10% loud now, and full of destortion :roll: :evil:
noticed it's now something /drivers done by AndreaElectronics.com now, so again as before moving from Win98 to WinXP needed to buy new sound cards :x M$ idiots #-o
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby nOmArch » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:10 am

JonC wrote:
Get a copy of DoNotSpy10 and turn of the things you don't want on (starting with the dreadful Cortana!) [-X


http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/word-warning-donotspy10-windows-10-privacy-tool
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:56 am

Yep I saw that before. No malware in it according to the various checkers and scanners I use, and no-one else of my techie friends have reported any problems.

Probably MS paying 'technical journalists' to appease the public.

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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:04 pm

JonC wrote:Yep I saw that before. No malware in it according to the various checkers and scanners I use, and no-one else of my techie friends have reported any problems.

Probably MS paying 'technical journalists' to appease the public.

YMMV


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Re: Windows 10....

Postby CMcDougall » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:53 pm

WTF is this?
Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB3194496).

and sticks at : Preparing to install updates 10% #-o

it took 6hrs last week, now lappy is doing it again :evil: :roll: :twisted:
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby leenew » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:01 pm

^^ dunno what it is but I have just had it thrust upon me.
It changes the start button a bit. What else.... who knows?
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby simonm » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:48 pm

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Re: Windows 10....

Postby CMcDougall » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:14 pm

well, only took less than a hour this one, it finished, forces restart, then takes even longer to come back
on after the 'dont turn off, upgrading 15...20..99%' [-(

noticed nothing different from the 6+hour one last week, that needed new FireFox 40.01 & upgrade all the Plugins :x

at bottom now noticed "Ask me anything" :? so I put "How far did Bill gates mum go" :lol:
which then just puts you on Edge (some crap iExplorer thing) & useless Bing search :|
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:23 am

Interestingly OEMs such as Dell have gone back to shipping Win7 machines with a Win7 DVD and product key sticker - well at least on the business range where you have the option of still buying Win7 pre-installed.

Hmmmm :-k
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:13 pm

george.h wrote:Interestingly OEMs such as Dell have gone back to shipping Win7 machines with a Win7 DVD and product key sticker - well at least on the business range where you have the option of still buying Win7 pre-installed.

Hmmmm :-k


That doesn't entirely surprise me; Win7 is a proven OS, at least more so than Win10.

Businesses don't upgrade from stable known platforms quickly (especially the larger ones), as they have to fork out for regression testing, retraining, deployment etc.
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby Commie_User » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:48 pm

george.h wrote:Interestingly OEMs such as Dell have gone back to shipping Win7 machines with a Win7 DVD and product key sticker - well at least on the business range where you have the option of still buying Win7 pre-installed.

Hmmmm :-k



Ooooo. I've had to revert to 7 for this peachy Blair-era AMD 64, 2.4 gig. 10 just crashes and crashes and crashes.

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Re: Windows 10....

Postby CMcDougall » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:26 pm

^that's why in the last 3 offices I done all the IT work, never bought any Dell's as they are utter pish. Loved throwing about 30 in the skip, gid riddens :D
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:34 pm

CMcDougall wrote:^that's why in the last 3 offices I done all the IT work, never bought any Dell's as they are utter pish. Loved throwing about 30 in the skip, gid riddens :D

I'm in Dellnial... (surrounded by Dell desktops running W7 at work...)
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:00 pm

1024MAK wrote:
CMcDougall wrote:^that's why in the last 3 offices I done all the IT work, never bought any Dell's as they are utter pish. Loved throwing about 30 in the skip, gid riddens :D

I'm in Dellnial... (surrounded by Dell desktops running W7 at work...)


It could be worse, I'm in Lenovonial, surrounded by machines that are all slightly different specs and running every version of windows since xp! :lol:
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:04 pm

JonC wrote:
1024MAK wrote:
CMcDougall wrote:^that's why in the last 3 offices I done all the IT work, never bought any Dell's as they are utter pish. Loved throwing about 30 in the skip, gid riddens :D

I'm in Dellnial... (surrounded by Dell desktops running W7 at work...)


It could be worse, I'm in Lenovonial, surrounded by machines that are all slightly different specs and running every version of windows since xp! :lol:


... and have you tried finding anything on HP/Compaq's website for "no longer produced" machines? They have all ceased to exist - ever! Absolutely crap support... ASUS are as bad.

Dell like any OEM have their good solid machines, and their lemons (laptops always tend to be worse with ANY manufacturer), but their support is generally a whole lot better. You didn't say what models (or range) the Dell's were Mr McDougal ;)

I've worked in environments which have bought Compaq, HP and Dells by the 10,000's (not at the same time!). If you stay well clear of the "consumer" range, Dells I have found to be, on the whole, a bit better.

My general rule (for businesses NOT able to consider/afford big corporate support deals) is this - treat all IT hardware as "tin boxes". Buy them all with 3/year next business day on-site warranty (except servers or other "critical" kit - usually 4 hour call out for that) and stick to as limited a range of models as possible. If it fails within that period a phone gets it fixed next day. If it fails after that, bin it and buy a new tin box. Avoid the consumer range like the plague - they are built to fail.

I'm still wondering when Mikysoft will deploy the "F*** **F and DIE Cortana!" update? That I really can't wait for as I HATE it...
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:11 pm

I wasnt criticising Dell or Lenovo as such, just our woefull IT Policy of only buying machines when they break.
This leads to;
A: A lot of downtime (as we can't keep spares either - cost)
B: Wildly varying specs, meaning software that runs on 7 won't run on XP, either because of the OS version or because it doesn't have the oomph!
C: Security issues due to retired OS's

There's probably more, however I have got to the stage of despair and forget them at the moment! :lol:
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:13 pm

JonC wrote:I wasnt criticising Dell or Lenovo as such, just our woefull IT Policy of only buying machines when they break.
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There's probably more, however I have got to the stage of despair and forget them at the moment! :lol:


Luckily I wrote our IT policy! :wink:
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby TopBanana » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:51 pm

At the end of the day it comes down to money. In my experience, a lot of IT guys don't think about that side and get carried away with the technology.

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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:35 pm

Ironically, having a single standard software and hardware spec saves money in the long run.
Think training/testing/people costs etc...

I think this is where Windows 10 will shine; in businesses with Enterprise licences, a single OS, that's not going to be replaced in the short term, makes a lot of strategic sense.
Your training and people costs should be reduced as you have a standard os, so shouldn't need more expensive people to support different versions or train the one's you have.

Patch management will still be there though as will testing against new patches.
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby paulb » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:51 pm

JonC wrote:Ironically, having a single standard software and hardware spec saves money in the long run.
Think training/testing/people costs etc...


When various organisations were going to switch to OpenOffice/LibreOffice, people used an argument a bit like the one you're mentioning: that by switching, everyone would need retraining, but by sticking with "what everybody already knows" they would avoid training costs. And then Microsoft went and changed the user interface in Office, but suddenly all the retraining costs became acceptable expenditure. Very odd, but not entirely unexpected.

Not that I go anywhere near Windows products, but Microsoft seem to have outdone themselves annoying their customers this time. Here was I thinking that Windows 8 was about as far they could go in upsetting people, but they've managed to find a few other dimensions of annoyance to exploit. And I guess all the retraining caused by these product roll-outs will be seen as the price of inevitable progress rather than ill-managed and damaging change for change's sake.

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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:53 pm

paulb wrote:...And then Microsoft went and changed the user interface in Office, but suddenly all the retraining costs became acceptable expenditure. Very odd, but not entirely unexpected.


I'd like some private time in a darkened room with the person who dreamt up the idea of re-arranging the entire menu structure of Office and "rebranding" the file menu as "Backstage" - you know just me, them, an iron bar and plenty of sound proofing.... :twisted: :lol:
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:03 pm

TopBanana wrote:At the end of the day it comes down to money. In my experience, a lot of IT guys don't think about that side and get carried away with the technology.


I have seen that too... There is technology, and there is "appropriate" technology, i.e. enough to do the job required with a little bit extra margin. Who cares if it can fly you to Mars! I only need to get to the corner shop and back.

Of course one also needs to factor in the other part of the money equation - how much does Fred or Mary Bloggs over there cost the company if they have to sit and twiddle their thumbs because their PC isn't working... :-k
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Re: Windows 10....

Postby JonC » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:45 pm

george.h wrote:
TopBanana wrote:At the end of the day it comes down to money. In my experience, a lot of IT guys don't think about that side and get carried away with the technology.


I have seen that too... There is technology, and there is "appropriate" technology, i.e. enough to do the job required with a little bit extra margin. Who cares if it can fly you to Mars! I only need to get to the corner shop and back.

Of course one also needs to factor in the other part of the money equation - how much does Fred or Mary Bloggs over there cost the company if they have to sit and twiddle their thumbs because their PC isn't working... :-k



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Re: Windows 10....

Postby george.h » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:52 pm

JonC wrote:Ironically, having a single standard software and hardware spec saves money in the long run.
Think training/testing/people costs etc...

I think this is where Windows 10 will shine; in businesses with Enterprise licences, a single OS, that's not going to be replaced in the short term, makes a lot of strategic sense.


Sadly, thanks to Microsoft's obsession with "consumers", you HAVE to have the Enterprise version of 10 (only available on what ever volume licensing is called these days) to be able to manage it properly in a business environment. This means killing off the Store, all the spyware, proper management of update installation times/dates (for those where it is difficult to justify one's own on-site update deployment infrastructure - which is quite a lot of SMEs) and rigidly locking it down to what the "bums on seats" in front of your PCs are supposed to be doing - their jobs. They (IIRC) crippled the ability to do a lot of that in the Windows 10 Pro (more like Consumer+) version.

Anyone know if the Enterprise version of 10 has had Cortana surgically removed? I know the b**** is as pervasive as ever in 10 Pro. If not then my estate is definitely going to push 7 to it's maximum life time to avoid 10.
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