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reminisce about bbc micro & electron games like chuckie egg, repton, elite & exile

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby sydney » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:52 pm

Wookie wrote:IMHO notable omissions are :

Plan B (always prefered this to Plan B 2)

Spy Cat

Crazee Rider

Good to see Elite at the top of the list, it's possibly the one I've played the most ever, sometimes I'd play it every night for weeks on end, leaving my poor electron plugged all the time, that and Codename Droid, I've completed that quite a few times now without cheating or using the depth jump but it's still fun to play.


Add another 5 and list them in order and I'll add you to the list. Crazee rider is number 103 so a few more points should get it into the top 100.

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Wookie » Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:24 pm

sydney wrote:Add another 5 and list them in order and I'll add you to the list. Crazee rider is number 103 so a few more points should get it into the top 100.


Argh this is so much harder than I first thought, only ten slots and so many games, ok here goes...

Elite
Codename Droid
Plan B
Spy Cat
Chuckie Egg
Starship Command
Thrust
Deathstar
Exile
Clogger

I played all those except Clogger on my Electron, In the early 90's I upgraded to a A310 and finally got a Beeb, funnily enough I still prefer to play some games on my Electron.

Exile is a fantastic game but I only ever managed less than 10% of it, the computer teacher at my High school spent months playing it to completion and brought his save game file to show us the ending, I remember thinking is that it ? Mind you I'm still determined to complete it one day, I've got the map & the walkthough ready

Just outside my top ten but worthy of a mention are Syncron & Pipeline
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby sydney » Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:54 pm

Wookie wrote:Argh this is so much harder than I first thought, only ten slots and so many games, ok here goes...

Elite
Codename Droid
Plan B
Spy Cat
Chuckie Egg
Starship Command
Thrust
Deathstar
Exile
Clogger

No Crazee Rider?!?!? :lol:
It is hard to choose isn't it!

I played all those except Clogger on my Electron, In the early 90's I upgraded to a A310 and finally got a Beeb, funnily enough I still prefer to play some games on my Electron.


I'm the same but went to a C64 in 1990 as my elk died. I often confuse beeb/elk games with the C64 equivalent - see the Barbarian thread in the high score section! I sold my elks a while back as the beeb was enough for me. I'm always tempted to get one again.

Exile is a fantastic game but I only ever managed less than 10% of it, the computer teacher at my High school spent months playing it to completion and brought his save game file to show us the ending, I remember thinking is that it ? Mind you I'm still determined to complete it one day, I've got the map & the walkthough ready


Exile. It's a bit of a paradox. One of it's greatest strengths - it's size - is also it's greatest flaw. I bought the solution and map from impact posters and still only made it about half way through!

Just outside my top ten but worthy of a mention are Syncron & Pipeline


Funny you should mention Syncron. I watched ChinnyVision - Episode 35 - Uridium - BBC Micro and Commodore 64 and the negative comments in the video and comments section regarding the quality of beeb games generally is what prompted me to ressurect this thread. He loved Uridium, Syncron and Psycastria are both mentioned (negatively) in the comments. I might start another thread on this as I'm pushing my own thread OT!

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Footie » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:15 pm

This is hard. I would have included Exile just for it's amazing accomplishment, but I never played it BITD and did not got very far when I did finally play it.

My list:

1. Elite
2. Repton 3
3. FireTrack
4. Zalaga
5. Galaforce
6. Thrust
7. Ravenskull
8. Citadel
9. Castle Quest
10. Yie Ar Kung Fu

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Wookie » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:40 pm

sydney wrote:Funny you should mention Syncron. I watched ChinnyVision - Episode 35 - Uridium - BBC Micro and Commodore 64 and the negative comments in the video and comments section regarding the quality of beeb games generally is what prompted me to ressurect this thread. He loved Uridium, Syncron and Psycastria are both mentioned (negatively) in the comments. I might start another thread on this as I'm pushing my own thread OT!

Syncron and Psycastria have to be played to be believed, they are crazy fast scrolling games, I suggest you overdose on energy drinks full of sugar & caffine before atempting to play either because you need lighting fast reactions, I used to play Syncron on my Elk BITD until my eyes were spinning like a one arm bandits wheels :lol:

Of course all these people that are fitting the new MRB to their Elk's can try playing Syncron in Turbo mode :D I never mastered that BITD, my record for staying alive in that mode was just over 30 seconds.
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby sydney » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:25 pm

List updated. Check top post for the list.

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby jms2 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:33 am

Here's my list:

Exile
Revs
Chuckie Egg
Repton 2
Skirmish
Thrust
Imogen
Galaforce
Starship Command
Snapper

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby davidb » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:53 pm

SimonSideburns wrote:1 - Repton Infinity

This is top of the list for sheer customisation ability.

This would never make it into the top 10 on the Electron, although the customisation facilities were interesting. This YouTube video will show you why it was such an incredibly disappointing game on the Electron, especially when compared to Pipeline. :(

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Kecske Bak » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:46 pm

This is my list at the moment - it'll be different tomorrow!

1. Repton 2
I simply adore this game, even now. I got it in 1985, before Repton 1 and Repton 3 and it's still my favourite out of all the BBC Micro Repton games. I disliked the (in my opinion) badly designed extra screens in the PC version - ruined it. Liked the version for the Archimedes on PIAS 2 though.

2. Citadel
The best arcade adventure ever. This game has a fascinating atmosphere and was enormous fun to solve. Palace of Magic was a load of bobbins (far too linear, poky screens, bad graphics, can't walk up hill, blocky) in comparison. I enjoyed Citadel 2 by Symo though.

3. Imogen
Best graphics on a BBC Micro game. This game is an incredible achievement and stands up even today as somethign very special.

4. Sabre Wulf
I think this is fabulous. I know that many people don't rate the BBC Micro version but they're allowed to be wrong. We'll cope.

5. Uridium
It's a toss-up whether this or Galaforce went on the list, but this game was so neglected and deserves more attention.

6. Xor
I really enjoyed this game - when you get annoyed with racing monsters and spirits sometimes it's nice to have a purely cerebral challenge.

7. Magic Mushrooms
Back in the day I could complete this from start to finish. Really loved it - it's the archetypal Acornsoft game really.

8. Mr Ee
Whenever I fancied some stress relief this always went in my tape player!

9. Estra
This is a weird, unique game that I've always loved playing and no-one else has even heard of it. It's the closest the BBC Micro got to a Jeff Minter shoot-em-up.

10. Elixir
I'm sorry, but I love this game! I could complete it without cheating too. Extremely innovative - an arcade adventure using 2D vector graphics. As someone who later wrote similar things in Flash this game proved to be really ahead of its time. Nice one Cyril.

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby davidb » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:49 pm

To add something positive to my previous criticism, my list of favourites would include the following games, though I wouldn't put them in any particular order. Bear in mind that I'm talking about the Electron versions. :)

  • Exile - I really got into this as a teenager, and again in my twenties. It would appear in my best games list despite having parts where it feels that you really have to abuse the limitations of the game engine to make progress. Even the elegant solutions involve pulling off some difficult tricks in the harshest environments in the game. Imagine how much time you would have to spend saving and reloading from tape on an Electron to get anywhere near finishing this game. (Video)
  • Magic Mushrooms - A really polished and well executed game, and it came with a screen designer, which is what I really wanted from a platform game at the time. It's one of those games which teaches you the skills you need to master it. (Video)
  • Arcadians - Another well-executed game. It's not really the same as Galaxians, but its style of gameplay sets it apart from the other clones. See if you can shoot a flagship when it is turning over and watch what happens to its escorts. :) (Video)
  • Firetrack - Just very well done and very playable. The sound really is part of the experience. I uploaded a video of this for people to see and hear. One of the mind-blowing things about this version is that it does vertical scrolling so well that you hardly notice that it's doing something impossible - well, nearly. ;)
  • Citadel - It's easy to forget how groundbreaking this game was at the time. A lot of platform games were released on other machines, but not many are this polished or well-balanced. I forgot how colourful it was - something you can easily take for granted. The Electron version had data on the screen, but it's not all that bad to look at, such was the attention to detail given to even mundane tasks like memory management..
  • Dunjunz - What seems like a poor man's version of Gauntlet is actually a lot more open and fun to play. Even now I remember the styles and layouts of certain levels: 1 is training, 2 is a cave, 3 is a maze, 4 is a fort, 8 and 9 involve lots of keys, 11 was difficult, etc. (Video)
  • Frak! - Not as colourful as the BBC version but has more levels and a level designer built in. It set the bar high for other platformers: high resolution, music, scrolling, precise collision detection, lots of display options. (Video)
  • Moon Raider - Another early standard-setter, it does fast and smooth sideways scrolling so well that I don't remember any other Scramble clones for the Electron. Written before games were intended to be rites of passage, it even let you start on any of the normal levels. (Video)
  • Escape from Moonbase Alpha - Just fond memories of this one. I think it's the pseudo-3D and random nature of the game that make it interesting. Spy vs Spy is much more technically polished than EMBA but it's such a different kind of game. (Video)
  • Pengi - I think this is the best Pengo clone on the Electron. I loved the intro and extra life music, and the titles before and after each game are really nice touches. An early game with lots of colour yet so well polished. (Video)

There are so many others that could be in this list: Drain Mania, Yie Ar Kung-Fu, Spy vs Spy, Thrust, to name just a few. :)

Edit (2016-01-25): Added links to videos.
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Postby Kecske Bak » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:20 am

davidb wrote:Frak! - Not as colourful as the BBC version but has more levels and a level designer built in. It set the bar high for other platformers: high resolution, music, scrolling, precise collision detection, lots of display options.


And of course decent collision detection compared to the BBC version. Whenever I play Frak! these day I always play the Acorn Electron version. It would be nice if one day someone would port Acorn Electron Frak! to the Master 128 with four colours which would make the ultimate 8-bit version of Frak!

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby streaks » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:35 pm

I'm rather happy with that list. There aren't many in there that I didn't have as a kid. :D
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Zeb » Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:14 pm

1. Zalaga
2. Mr Ee
3. Chuckie Egg
4. Airlift
5. Death Star
6. Thrust
7. Killer Gorilla
8. Meteors
9. Frenzy
10.Crazee Rider

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby David1664 » Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:56 pm

Elite
Citadel
Palace Of Magic
Chuckie Egg
Elixir
Hobgoblin
Galaforce
Hopper
Monsters
Camelot

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Jeremy Grayson » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:59 pm

Kecske Bak wrote:9. Estra
This is a weird, unique game that I've always loved playing and no-one else has even heard of it. It's the closest the BBC Micro got to a Jeff Minter shoot-em-up.


It's not like anything else, is it!

Can't think of a game which manages to be trippy, serene and sinister at the same time, and whilst it took some time to work out what on earth it was all about initially, I've returned to it on numerous occasions.

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby RobC » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:35 am

So many games to choose from but here are the ones I spent most time playing:

Elite
Yie ar Kung Fu
Match Day
Galaforce 2
Snapper
Revs
Firetrack
Thrust
Boffin
Sabre Wulf

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby jbnbeeb » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:03 am

Here's my top 10 - belatedly after Simon showing me this thread at Halifax.

1. Snapper (first version with proper Pac Man sprites)
2. Revs
3. Exile
4. Missile Control (the best version of the arcade game on the Beeb IMHO)
5. Cylon Attack
6. The Way of the Exploding Fist
7. Thrust
8. Arcadians
9. Galaforce
10. Citadel
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby jbnbeeb » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:14 am

Hi,
just a thought..
it would be good if more people could add their top 10 to this thread (including Facebook contributions ?) , and the results then used as the basis for a a "top 50" or some such page on the excellent bbcmicro.co.uk site that is being put together by peeps here.
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby leenew » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:20 am

^^ This.
Yep. Definitely need a top 50.
That would save newbies having to wade through the more "specialist" titles :D

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Postby Dethmunk » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:19 pm

Hi there....Ooooo Top Ten lists, everyone loves these.... :) Here's mine.

1. ELITE - Has to be, I spent HOURS a day playing this. Amazing (On Electron too).
2. Chuckie Egg - Without doubt the most playable platformer on Elk. LOVED IT!
3. Repton - Classic and I instantly fell in love with this too.
4. Citadel - There'd been very few if any games on the Elk like this at that point. I played and finished this. Amazing.
5. Ravenskull - Great game, loved the puzzles.
6. Zalaga - Supreme shoot'em up and one of the closest arcade conversions I had experienced at the time.
7. Jet Boot Jack - Wonderful platformer. Loved this on Elk and BBC too.
8. Cylon Attack - Underrated but superb game. Controls where nice and I could play this for ages.
9. Twin Kingdom Valley - One of my all time fave adventures. Graphics blew me away at the time LOL.
10. FRAK! - Loved the music (even on the Electron!). The graphics are just cute as hell too.

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby sydney » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:48 pm

I've updated the list and poduced a new top 100 and updated the top post. I've also added an average score column which is interesting. I honestly think if Exile had come out in '84 instead of '88 it would be level pegging with Elite.
Including Facebook votes we've had 35 people express their opinions here. I'd like to get it up to 50 before I stop updating the list so I need another 15 people to let me know their own personal top 10 games on the beeb. I'm going to push this on Facebook too so that we can finish this off and maybe add a top 50/100 list to bbcmicro.co.uk.

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Arcadian » Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:44 pm

Hmm ... I think it's a real shame that Tricky's astounding conversion of Frogger has yet to receive a single vote - would be rather sad if it didn't even feature on the top 50. Though I suppose a lot of people (especially on Facebook) wouldn't be aware that it even exists.

I can't think of a more playable or technically impressive arcade conversion on the Beeb, other than perhaps Carnival (which evidently has received a vote, albeit just the one). Astro Blaster very technically impressive too, especially with the speech chip (or sw/ram).
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Postby Arcadian » Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:46 pm

Ten of my all-time favourites:

1. Frogger (Tricky/Retro Software)
2. Carnival (Tricy/Retro Software)
3. Acid Drops (Firebird)
4. Microbe (Virgin)
5. Donkey Kong Junior (Atarisoft) Unreleased
6. QBert (Superior)
7. Estra (Firebird)
8. Super Invaders (Acornsoft)
9. Firetrack (Electric Dreams)
10. Arcadians (Acornsoft)
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby sydney » Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:59 pm

I think the real problem is that most of the votes were made before fogger was written.

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Postby leenew » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:36 pm

Have a top 101 then :D
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby jbnbeeb » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:56 pm

Perhaps we could bend the rules and append Tricky's games (and some of the others from Retrosoftware) as they're games that push the Beeb /show it off more than many of the classics from BITD.
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Postby tricky » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:47 pm

Thanks,
Arcadian wrote:... perhaps Carnival (which evidently has received a vote, albeit just the one)...

And that was me :lol:

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby Arcadian » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:05 am

jbnbeeb wrote:Perhaps we could bend the rules and append Tricky's games (and some of the others from Retrosoftware) as they're games that push the Beeb /show it off more than many of the classics from BITD.

I'm not sure how the Top 50 games are going to be presented, but say if we added a new menu item after Games called Recommendations, it could feature a dropdown that included:

Top 100 Games
Top 20 Free Homebrew Games (which would include Tricky's games)

and maybe

Top 20 Arcade Conversions
Top 20 Text/Graphical Adventures

... too?
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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby sydney » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:20 am

I've updated the list with Arcadians vote and another 8 from Facebook meaning we have a total of 44 votes so far - only another 6 needed to make it an nice round 50. I have to say the top 50 is a list of VERY good games!

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If anyone voted for Joust can you check to see if you mean Skirmish as Joust is the name given to Skirmish before it was released. Let me know and I'll change the list to reflect this.

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Re: Favourite/best games list

Postby BigEd » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:02 am

I'm no great gamer, but back in the day I played a bit, and you need the contributions... So here's my top ten AFAICR:

1 planetoid
2 thrust
3 repton
4 pengo
5 danger uxb
6 snapper
7 starship command
8 rocket raid
9 missile control
10 killer gorilla

And below the fold:
monsters
elite
chucky egg
revs

I'd love to put in Mr EE but I don't think I ever had it for the Beeb.

And the telesoftware GREEN GLOOP GAME was good fun too! But it did need a playability tweak.


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